Mayflower District Court
#thejonathantank-v-combatrole-et-al
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Brenda Cornwallis 2025-04-23 09:55 a.m.
Brenda Cornwallis 2025-04-23 10:03 a.m.@mike_bn
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mike_bn 2025-04-23 10:04 a.m.@thejonathantank where is ur complaint
mike_bn 2025-04-23 10:05 a.m.
Nvm
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ian 2025-04-23 01:25 p.m.@mike_bn Hi
ian 2025-04-23 01:26 p.m.
I am counsel of record for Plaintiff
ian 2025-04-23 01:26 p.m.
(appeared with the complaint)
ian 2025-04-23 01:26 p.m.
I filed it in filing-center as opposed to on the website because it wouldn't let me given the case hadn't been added to any docket
ian 2025-04-23 01:26 p.m.
I'll add it now
ian 2025-04-23 01:28 p.m.
added
mike_bn 2025-04-23 01:56 p.m.
plz google drive for viewing ease
mike_bn 2025-04-23 01:56 p.m.
also summon defendants
ian 2025-04-23 02:11 p.m.@mike_bn all the defendants (and SG) don't fit on the form in ᴠɪʀᴛᴜᴀʟ-ᴄᴏᴜʀᴛʀᴏᴏᴍ
ian 2025-04-23 02:11 p.m.
do you have a different format I could use for it
mike_bn 2025-04-23 02:12 p.m.
do separate ones then
ian 2025-04-23 02:12 p.m.
Ok
ian 2025-04-23 02:39 p.m.SUMMONS
CC@mike_bn
Courtesy Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Epj-LpiZzippNJnXlapwDfoZtrD0J_qm/view?usp=sharing
ianmike_bn 2025-04-23 02:44 p.m.
great u can serve
mike_bn 2025-04-23 02:44 p.m.
have 3rd party serve
mike_bngreat u can serve
ian 2025-04-23 02:44 p.m.
isnt there a command for it
mike_bn 2025-04-23 02:45 p.m.
I have to sit through and run the command multiple times
ian 2025-04-23 02:45 p.m.
ok no worries ill get somebody to do it
mike_bn 2025-04-23 02:45 p.m.
Or u can just have someone dm them quickly
mike_bn 2025-04-23 02:46 p.m.
Im doing homework atm
ian 2025-04-23 02:46 p.m.
understandable
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mike_bn 2025-04-23 02:48 p.m.@Combatrole @andris @Nicklaus are added, fox needs to join
mike_bn 2025-04-23 02:49 p.m.
nick take notice and advise me of your intentions
mike_bnian 2025-04-23 02:51 p.m.
should I still serve summons or should I wait to see if they're waiving
ianshould I still serve summons or should I wait to see if they're waiving
mike_bn 2025-04-23 02:57 p.m.
might as well
mike_bn 2025-04-23 02:57 p.m.
still serve
ian 2025-04-23 02:57 p.m.
Okie dokie
ian Server2025-04-23 04:05 p.m.
ian Server2025-04-23 04:06 p.m.
ian Server2025-04-23 04:07 p.m.
ian 2025-04-23 04:08 p.m.@mike_bn SG and defendants served (exception see below)
ian 2025-04-23 04:08 p.m.
Foxfragment could not be located by the almighty server of summons
ian 2025-04-23 04:09 p.m.
Perhaps you could issue an order directing the sheriff's office to do it as I'm assuming they're specifically trained for it
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:30 p.m.
Uh
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:31 p.m.
𝐊𝐢𝐦#6780
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:32 p.m. 
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:32 p.m.@ian dw about it
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:32 p.m.
found him
mike_bnClick to see attachment.
ian 2025-04-23 04:33 p.m.
Oh my
ian 2025-04-23 04:33 p.m.
how did you do that
ian 2025-04-23 04:33 p.m.
are you some sort of dark wizard
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:33 p.m.
im a hacker
ian 2025-04-23 04:33 p.m.
stop hacking
ian 2025-04-23 04:33 p.m.
reported
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:33 p.m.
he is upset
ian 2025-04-23 04:33 p.m.
Your jackass
ian 2025-04-23 04:34 p.m.
If he doesnt want to join to participate and duly protect his rights we'll ask for default (later on)
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:35 p.m.
we will see if doj interjects
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:35 p.m.
they make take them all on and rep them
ian 2025-04-23 04:35 p.m.
I doubt that
ian 2025-04-23 04:35 p.m.
the nature of the torts is very serious
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:36 p.m. 
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:36 p.m.
ex parte
mike_bnnick take notice and advise me of your intentions
Nicklaus 2025-04-23 04:37 p.m.
we will obviously defend the official misconduct but probably not any of them for the individual capacity torts
Nicklauswe will obviously defend the official misconduct but probably not any of them for the individual capacity torts
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:38 p.m.
got it
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:38 p.m.
this makes it tricky but we will figure it out
Nicklauswe will obviously defend the official misconduct but probably not any of them for the individual capacity torts
ian 2025-04-23 04:40 p.m.
do you waive summons 
Nicklaus 2025-04-23 04:40 p.m.
yes
ian 2025-04-23 04:40 p.m.@mike_bn
Nicklaus 2025-04-23 04:40 p.m.
although ive been served so technically ive already complied
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:40 p.m.
yes the rest have already complied
ian 2025-04-23 04:40 p.m.
oh right
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:40 p.m.
fox wont be joining us
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:41 p.m.
but nevertheless the deadline for a reply from all defendants is
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:41 p.m.
we will call it at the 29th
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:41 p.m.
11:59 PM EST or earlier
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:41 p.m.
you have an extra day since its a lengthy complaint
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:41 p.m.
also @Nicklaus if you need more time just ask
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:41 p.m.
i know finals are next week, we can always set this back until after finals
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:42 p.m.
same with @Combatrole @andris
mike_bnyou have an extra day since its a lengthy complaint
ian 2025-04-23 04:42 p.m.
also your jackass it's come to my attention I wrote lamppost instead of speed sign in the complaint
ian 2025-04-23 04:43 p.m.
so if we have to file an amended complaint we can do so in 10 seconds
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:43 p.m.
its noted
ian 2025-04-23 04:43 p.m.
could we?
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:43 p.m.
dont bother
ian 2025-04-23 04:43 p.m.
ian 2025-04-23 04:43 p.m.
also we won't object to setting anything back due to finals
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:44 p.m.
1
counsel is advised lamppost is not a lamppost but a speed limit sign
1ianalso we won't object to setting anything back due to finals
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:44 p.m.
yeah we might do that
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:44 p.m.
set this for early may
ian 2025-04-23 04:44 p.m.
that's fine by me
mike_bnwe will call it at the 29th
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:45 p.m.
okay so disregard this
ian 2025-04-23 04:45 p.m.
personally i dont even hear of finals yet but most of the world does so
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:47 p.m.
# ANSWER DUE DATE #
@Combatrole @andris
Sorry for the pings guys, you are being sued in your official and individual capacity. The DOJ has indicated they are likely not to defend you as to the individual capacity claims. That means it would be in your best interest to find a lawyer. You must reply to the allegations in the civil complaint (https://drive.google.com/file/d/17IqY1Y-1DNNFu6THjkXnYmfZF0Ms-_4D/view?usp=sharing)ON OR BEFORE 11:59 PM EST, MAY 10TH, 2025.
Sorry for the pings guys, you are being sued in your official and individual capacity. The DOJ has indicated they are likely not to defend you as to the individual capacity claims. That means it would be in your best interest to find a lawyer. You must reply to the allegations in the civil complaint (https://drive.google.com/file/d/17IqY1Y-1DNNFu6THjkXnYmfZF0Ms-_4D/view?usp=sharing)
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:47 p.m.
Hire a lawyer please before then, @Nicklaus this date applies to you too.
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:47 p.m.
After this we will set deadlines as law and rop allows, I want to get you all out of finals before dealing with this
mike_bnthey make take them all on and rep them
ian 2025-04-23 04:47 p.m.
so, since they're not, should we expect you to grant default upon motion
ian 2025-04-23 04:48 p.m.
for fox if they don't show up
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:48 p.m.
yeah if fox doesnt show up on may 10 you can motion for default
ian 2025-04-23 04:48 p.m.
Okie dokie
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:48 p.m.
and if they dont pay ill just give them a forever stay in jail until they do
ian 2025-04-23 04:48 p.m.
thanks
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:48 p.m.
np see you all on may 10th
mike_bn pinned a message to this channel.2025-08-28 07:30 p.m.
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:49 p.m.
hopefully before so i can add your lawyers
mike_bn 2025-04-23 04:49 p.m.
and @Nicklaus let me know what the government plans to do
Nicklaus 2025-04-23 04:49 p.m.
yes soon(edited)
Nicklaus 2025-04-23 04:50 p.m.
ill talk to my team
mike_bnyeah if fox doesnt show up on may 10 you can motion for default
ian 2025-04-24 06:44 p.m.
Did you mean apr 28
ian 2025-04-24 06:44 p.m.
because the summons directs fox to be here within 5 days or face default
ian 2025-04-24 06:45 p.m.
the time he has to file an answer if he does join by Apr 28 is separate and irrelevant for the purposes of default judgment
ianbecause the summons directs fox to be here within 5 days or face default
mike_bn 2025-04-24 10:43 p.m.
No I’ll keep it at may
mike_bn 2025-04-24 10:43 p.m.
Because if he comes along and contest it
mike_bn 2025-04-24 10:43 p.m.
Now we are handling this early for no reason
ian 2025-04-25 06:00 a.m.
Ok
mike_bn# ANSWER DUE DATE # @Combatrole @andris Sorry for the pings guys, you are being sued in your official and individual capacity. The DOJ has indicated they...
andris 2025-04-25 08:33 a.m.
hello my lawyer is @polyrabies please add him
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mike_bn 2025-04-25 09:28 a.m.@polyrabies
mike_bn 2025-04-25 09:29 a.m.
Take notice of things discussed
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mike_bn# ANSWER DUE DATE # @Combatrole @andris Sorry for the pings guys, you are being sued in your official and individual capacity. The DOJ has indicated they...
Combatrole 2025-04-25 10:42 a.m.
hello, I'm also being represented by polyrabies
mike_bn 2025-04-25 11:08 a.m.@polyrabies did you explain to them the risk of representing both of them
mike_bn 2025-04-25 11:09 a.m.
And if a conflict of interest between these two clients arises you will substitute counsel
ian 2025-04-25 06:19 p.m.CO-COUNSEL NOTICE OF APPEARANCE
Cc@mike_bn @polyrabies @Nicklaus
Courtesy Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/12Q4qJH9bHzx0DqzXWzYkiqw82eO-Qngl/view?usp=sharing
ian 2025-04-25 06:45 p.m.@mike_bn could he be added
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mike_bn 2025-04-25 06:57 p.m.@ian
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:09 p.m.@mike_bn can u give fox until may the 15th to appear
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:09 p.m.
they're dealing with irl mental issues and are taking a break.
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:09 p.m.
and will be back soon.
mike_bn# ANSWER DUE DATE # @Combatrole @andris Sorry for the pings guys, you are being sued in your official and individual capacity. The DOJ has indicated they...
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:10 p.m.
and can we get the response due date extended to the 15th
polyrabiesian 2025-04-25 07:18 p.m.@mike_bn Plaintiff objects to both this and the response due date being extended
ian 2025-04-25 07:18 p.m.
We were generous in granting an extension for final exams
ian 2025-04-25 07:18 p.m.
The deadline is literally in 15 days
ian 2025-04-25 07:19 p.m.
Civil procedure only grants 5 days
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:19 p.m.
Well the extension is needed
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:19 p.m.
theres no need to rush this
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:20 p.m.
justice shouldn't be rushed
ian 2025-04-25 07:20 p.m.
Additionally I don't think Fox needs until the 15th to join us. A mental condition (unless you'd like to challenge me, mr. Polyrabies) does not, unless severely grave, actually disable a person from joining a Discord and hiring a lawyer
polyrabiesWell the extension is needed
ian 2025-04-25 07:20 p.m.
Is it
ian 2025-04-25 07:20 p.m.
What's the reason
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:20 p.m.
I already said
ian 2025-04-25 07:20 p.m.
Yes, as to Fox's extension
ian 2025-04-25 07:20 p.m.
Not yours
ian 2025-04-25 07:21 p.m.
It is my belief that you are going through with your typical defense of dragging out the trial through months, as you've stated both privately to me and publicly before
ian 2025-04-25 07:21 p.m.
So while I am not rushing, there is definitely a need to not allow you to prejudice my client with your shenanigans
ian 2025-04-25 07:22 p.m.
Again we object to any extension whatsoever
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:22 p.m.
So we don't care about foxs mental state?
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:22 p.m.
You should be ashamed of yourself and held in contempt for failing to accomodate for a community members mental health implications,
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:22 p.m.
they suffer from PTSD and other mental disorders which i'm not gonna name
ian 2025-04-25 07:22 p.m.
A vague "mental state" does not disallow somebody from joining a Discord and getting a lawyer, or at the very least, expressing your interest in participating in the proceedings
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:22 p.m.
which inhibit them from participating in these proceedings until the 15th.
ian 2025-04-25 07:22 p.m.
Fox has been very disrespectful to both the Plaintiff and the court
ian 2025-04-25 07:23 p.m.
And showed no signs of having any prejudicial mental state
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:23 p.m.
Because they suffer from mental health conditions
ian 2025-04-25 07:23 p.m.
Only to you, conveniently
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:23 p.m.
the deranged behaviour is a product of one of the various mental health conditions
polyrabiesBecause they suffer from mental health conditions
ian 2025-04-25 07:23 p.m.
You are not the legal counsel of Fox and can't comment on that
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:23 p.m.
Which I wont name for privacy reasons thats all.
polyrabiesthe deranged behaviour is a product of one of the various mental health conditions
ian 2025-04-25 07:23 p.m.
I will not ask you to prove this—it's Roblox. But I will at least ask that Fox say it himself.
ian 2025-04-25 07:24 p.m.
I know how you operate and I won't take the chance this is another shenanigan.
ian 2025-04-25 07:24 p.m.
I implore his jackass not to as well
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:24 p.m.
You just called fox a jackass?
ian 2025-04-25 07:24 p.m.
The judge
ian 2025-04-25 07:24 p.m.
He prefers to be called his jackass
ianIt is my belief that you are going through with your typical defense of dragging out the trial through months, as you've stated both privately to me and publicly before
ian 2025-04-25 07:28 p.m.
So the court knows, my claims are not without merit
ian 2025-04-25 07:28 p.m.
posted in this discord publicly
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:28 p.m.
Huh that's not relevant to this
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:29 p.m.
that doesn't mention this case or anything thats hypothetical
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:29 p.m.
just like how ppl joke about murdering others
ian 2025-04-25 07:29 p.m.
I am supporting my reason for objecting to your extension
ian 2025-04-25 07:29 p.m.
It's relevant
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:29 p.m.
Ur objecting to my extension cause of whatr i said nearly a month ago in the court chatroom before this case was even filed?
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:29 p.m.
Nice
ian 2025-04-25 07:30 p.m.
I'm objecting because the extension is unnecessary and frankly a joke
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:30 p.m.
so foxs mental state is a joke to you?
ian 2025-04-25 07:30 p.m.
You were given like 13 additional days
polyrabiesso foxs mental state is a joke to you?
ian 2025-04-25 07:30 p.m.
It means nothing coming from you because it is simply convenient for you to say it
ian 2025-04-25 07:30 p.m.
Instead get me FoxFragment saying that
ian 2025-04-25 07:31 p.m.
He has explicitly stated he does not wish to take part in these proceedings
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:31 p.m.
Anyway, I'd like to make the court also aware @mike_bn both my clients are likely planning to depart from clark county therefore expect delayed responses from me as it may be hard to communicate with my clients
ianIt means nothing coming from you because it is simply convenient for you to say it
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:31 p.m.
why would i joke about someone having mental health conditions
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:31 p.m.
ian 2025-04-25 07:31 p.m.
because you know they'll never join Clark, as they have said, and will never refute your claims
ian 2025-04-25 07:31 p.m.
it's convenient for you to say it
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:31 p.m.
You could just dm them and ask urself but ok.
ian 2025-04-25 07:32 p.m.
I am not throwing accusations, if you want an extension, you need reason if you don't want us to object, and this doesnt seem like an actual reason
polyrabies 2025-04-25 07:32 p.m.
WWell i don't care about your objection, the judge decides.
ian 2025-04-25 07:32 p.m.
Yeah I know it's an objection not a ruling
ian 2025-04-25 07:34 p.m.@mike_bn Like I said the plaintiff thoroughly objects to all of the defense's requested further extensions
Nicklaus 2025-04-25 09:40 p.m.
Hi
Nicklaus 2025-04-25 09:42 p.m.
if he is in contact with poly then I don’t know what the problem is
Nicklaus 2025-04-25 09:42 p.m.
Skull
Nicklaus 2025-04-25 09:42 p.m.
the gov will be filing a response and mtd subsequently this weekend hopefully
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:50 a.m.
Ok
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:50 a.m.@polyrabies @ian you both violated my very clear rules about cross talk
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:50 a.m.
That is my biggest thing
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:50 a.m.
Please post your request or message to court
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:51 a.m.
I will give u time to reply
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:51 a.m.
Okay?
polyrabies 2025-04-26 01:51 a.m.
Heres my request can you give us until the 15th of may for the reply
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:51 a.m.
For now no
polyrabies 2025-04-26 01:51 a.m.
and 15 of may for fox to return
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:51 a.m.
My reason being
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:51 a.m.
Let’s wait it out
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:51 a.m.
As the deadline approaches
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:51 a.m.
We will address it
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:52 a.m.
It’s too far out to decide when fox will appear, and frankly I won’t revolve the proceedings around their feelings
polyrabies 2025-04-26 01:52 a.m.
respectfully your honor fox has a neurological disorder
polyrabies 2025-04-26 01:52 a.m.
and they're material to this case
polyrabies 2025-04-26 01:53 a.m.
so please reconsider and give an additional 5 days the 15th
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:53 a.m.
Is that why they called me the hard r
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:54 a.m.
Seriously though may 10th is
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:54 a.m.
Like 3 weeks out
polyrabies 2025-04-26 01:54 a.m.
I'm sorry if they did but they have a neurological disorder so please be patient with them
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:55 a.m.
They stand unrepresented at this point
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:56 a.m.
I’m not saying I won’t grant it
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:56 a.m.
I’m saying wait
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:56 a.m.
Let’s see how it plays out
polyrabies 2025-04-26 01:56 a.m.
They have a LETI Cert, and have expressed they're coming back by the 15th
polyrabies 2025-04-26 01:56 a.m.
thats why im asking for 15th
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:56 a.m.
Well sorry 3 weeks is
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:56 a.m.
Weeks more than I have to give
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:56 a.m.
I gave you an inch don’t go pulling for a mile
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:57 a.m.
If everyone who didn’t want to appear blamed it on having a few screws loose
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:57 a.m.
Nothing would get done
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:58 a.m.
It isn’t hard to join a discord, say “present”, and give simple information to counsel
mike_bnmike_bn 2025-04-26 01:58 a.m.
Also answer pls
polyrabies 2025-04-26 01:58 a.m.
Look i'd agree but they literally have been in and out of hospital there whole lives.
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:58 a.m.
It will wait
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:58 a.m.
U can raise the issue later but
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:58 a.m.
No one can advocate for them
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:59 a.m.
They are unrepresented
mike_bnpolyrabies 2025-04-26 01:59 a.m.
No I will soon
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:59 a.m.
Let’s do that before we take on co defendants
mike_bn 2025-04-26 01:59 a.m.
Moving forward
mike_bn 2025-04-26 02:00 a.m.
Let me know what your clients say
mike_bn 2025-04-26 02:00 a.m.
Feel free to raise the extra time issue later
polyrabies 2025-04-26 02:01 a.m.
id also like to state if fox is back i'll be there counsel as they previously requested dos counsel before as they're apart of dps
polyrabiesNo I will soon
ian 2025-04-26 07:07 a.m.@mike_bn your honor the bar explicitly prohibits taking on two clients like this without informed consent
polyrabies 2025-04-26 07:07 a.m.
Huh
ian 2025-04-26 07:07 a.m.
Polyrabies has already staked a significant amount for them
ian 2025-04-26 07:07 a.m.
Namely by rejecting a settlement for them
polyrabies 2025-04-26 07:08 a.m.
ian 2025-04-26 07:08 a.m.
Which is also in violation of the ethics code
polyrabies 2025-04-26 07:08 a.m.
Whatever you say bro.
polyrabiesWhatever you say bro.
ian 2025-04-26 07:08 a.m.
Ping me in chamber chat if you wanna discuss it we already got warned once
ian 2025-04-26 07:08 a.m.
I am concerned for his clients' rights your jackass
ian 2025-04-26 07:11 a.m.
If polyrabies does not reconsider his behavior to align with the bar's ethical code I will ask that he be substituted and reported to the bar
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:45 a.m.@polyrabies ok cross talk
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:45 a.m.
Once again
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:45 a.m.
Stop
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:46 a.m.
Secondly
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:46 a.m.
Tell your clients about the risk
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:46 a.m.
So they can make a well informed decision
polyrabies 2025-04-26 07:46 a.m.
Your honor respectfully this is open court, I have a reputation to maintain, and need to be able to respond to allegations made by the plaintiff
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:46 a.m.
U will be able to
polyrabies 2025-04-26 07:46 a.m.
if the plaintiff says something outrageous
polyrabies 2025-04-26 07:46 a.m.
im gonna respond
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:46 a.m.
Saying whatever bro
polyrabies 2025-04-26 07:46 a.m.
He's accusing me of ethical violations your honor
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:46 a.m.
Can wait
polyrabies 2025-04-26 07:46 a.m.
so of course Im gonna be mad and want to respond
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:46 a.m.
Well, you are supposed to tell a new client about your representation of a code defendant before they hire you
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:47 a.m.
Co defendant*
mike_bnWell, you are supposed to tell a new client about your representation of a code defendant before they hire you
polyrabies 2025-04-26 07:47 a.m.
they already know
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:47 a.m.
Auto correct
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:47 a.m.
Great, but you didn’t explain the risk though
polyrabies 2025-04-26 07:47 a.m.
I didn't cause i just became their attorney
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:47 a.m.
Listen, just do it before the 10th
polyrabies 2025-04-26 07:47 a.m.
like 6 hours
polyrabies 2025-04-26 07:47 a.m.
ago
polyrabies 2025-04-26 07:47 a.m.
I will.
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:47 a.m.
Well, you’re supposed to do it before but just get it done
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:47 a.m.
Thanks
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:47 a.m.
No cross talk you get permission to respond
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:48 a.m.
Make your argument and zip
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:48 a.m.
Person responds (with leave)(edited)
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:48 a.m.
I rule
mike_bn 2025-04-26 07:48 a.m.
Order of operations for this proceeding and all others on my docket
ian 2025-04-26 08:15 a.m.@mike_bn could you give me the discord ID of fox
ian 2025-04-26 08:16 a.m.
Poly has insisted I contact them about the extension thing
ian 2025-04-26 08:16 a.m.
But for some reason now completely ignores me in DMs
Offer 2025-04-26 10:14 a.m.
Free my nigga combatrole
Offer 2025-04-26 10:14 a.m.
He aint do nun @Combatrole
ian 2025-04-26 10:33 a.m.
ok
OfferFree my nigga combatrole
mike_bn 2025-04-26 11:30 a.m.
He is found in criminal contempt
mike_bn 2025-04-26 11:30 a.m.
Should he decide to rejoin the game he will serve his 2 hour sentence
mike_bn 2025-04-26 11:31 a.m.@ian 
ian 2025-04-26 03:38 p.m.@polyrabies @mike_bn for the record I've reached out to fox and asked them to comment on their ability to join the discord by may 10th
ian 2025-04-26 03:38 p.m.
they unfriended me
ian 2025-04-26 03:39 p.m.
further reason for us to object to any extension
andrishello my lawyer is @polyrabies please add him
ian 2025-04-27 09:51 a.m.@mike_bn did Polyrabies file a notice of appearance
ian 2025-04-27 09:51 a.m.
it's required
ianmike_bn 2025-04-27 11:58 a.m.
I wont require it
mike_bn 2025-04-27 11:58 a.m.
I never do for anyone
mike_bnI wont require it
ian 2025-04-27 12:00 p.m.
Is he still considered counsel of record
ian 2025-04-27 12:02 p.m.
Also the plaintiff intends to move to disqualify @polyrabies unless he recuses voluntarily from the case entirely
ianIs he still considered counsel of record
mike_bn 2025-04-27 02:35 p.m.
For the one defendant yes
mike_bn 2025-04-27 02:35 p.m.
until he certifies that he told the other prospective client of his of the risk
ian 2025-04-27 04:27 p.m.MOTION TO DISQUALIFY OPPOSING COUNSEL
Cc@mike_bn @polyrabies
Courtesy Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gZcnxrdTiiY7S6sL-vyQKbk7YOlyNrx1/view?usp=sharing
ianian 2025-04-27 05:32 p.m.@mike_bn could you set a due date for a response
polyrabies 2025-04-27 08:32 p.m.
heres my response there is no conflict and even if a conflict exists both of my clients waive it thats all
polyrabies 2025-04-27 08:34 p.m.
and both clients are aware of the risk of a conflict of interest
polyrabies 2025-04-27 08:38 p.m.
and the clients are fine with me representing them, theres no issue the plaintiff simply thinks im gonna delay the case and win which is why hes tryna get rid of me as counsel
polyrabiesheres my response there is no conflict and even if a conflict exists both of my clients waive it thats all
ian 2025-04-27 08:39 p.m.
Did you read the motion
ian 2025-04-27 08:39 p.m.chamber-chat
ian 2025-04-27 08:41 p.m.@mike_bn if the defense counsel is going to waive a paper response we ask you to interpret the motion as undisputed and order accordingly.
polyrabies 2025-04-27 08:43 p.m.
heres my respones to that a response doesnt need to be in paper and i dont need to respond to ur motions anyway, even if there was no response the court cannot assume its undisputed my official response is what i said above ok?
polyrabies 2025-04-27 08:44 p.m.
like yur really grasping at straws here to get me off this case and wasting this courts time and delaying this case urself by burdening everyone with ur baseless motions which are friviouls incesstant attemps to get me off a case with no real merit therefore im asking this court sanction the plaintiffs attorney from wasting my time and this courts time
ian 2025-04-27 08:45 p.m.
Cross talk isn't allowed and I won't be sanctioned because of your loud mouth
ian 2025-04-27 08:45 p.m.
Move to chamber chat if you want to refer to me on the record, like I said
polyrabiesheres my respones to that a response doesnt need to be in paper and i dont need to respond to ur motions anyway, even if there was no response the court cannot assume its undispute...
ian 2025-04-27 09:03 p.m.
Your jackass
polyrabiesheres my respones to that a response doesnt need to be in paper and i dont need to respond to ur motions anyway, even if there was no response the court cannot assume its undispute...
ian 2025-04-27 09:05 p.m.
Like Defense counsel has indicated, they won't be filing a paper response, which we believe is necessary—in the case you rule it isn't, we interpret you should grant our motion regardless because this short apparently drunken response fails to address paragraph (d) of the Ethics Code
ianmike_bn 2025-04-27 11:51 p.m.
This is moot
mike_bn 2025-04-27 11:51 p.m.
The other defendant fled the jurisdiction of this court
mike_bn 2025-04-27 11:52 p.m.
Until he re appears he will be unrepresented
mike_bn 2025-04-27 11:52 p.m.
The only defendant is combat
mike_bn 2025-04-27 11:52 p.m.
The other stand unrepresented and will remain as such until they appear
mike_bnThe other defendant fled the jurisdiction of this court
ian 2025-04-28 05:49 a.m.
The two defendants are shaggy and combat your jackass
ian 2025-04-28 05:49 a.m.
The motion doesnt refer to fox
ian 2025-04-28 05:50 a.m.
Fox is the one that fled
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:47 a.m.
Ah
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:48 a.m.@polyrabies educate the defendants
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:48 a.m.
About the risk
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:48 a.m.
Which u still haven’t done
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:48 a.m.
And u can appear
mike_bnAnd u can appear
ian 2025-04-28 10:31 a.m.
Are you denying the motion to disqualify
ian 2025-04-28 10:31 a.m.
That's not the only cause we state
mike_bn 2025-04-28 10:47 a.m.
You say a belief that they’re not able to give competent representation
mike_bn 2025-04-28 10:47 a.m.
Without even telling me why you believe that
mike_bn 2025-04-28 10:47 a.m.
I’m not considering it. The only substantive argument is that he didn’t inform the defendant before he became their council of record.
mike_bn 2025-04-28 10:47 a.m.
Counsel
mike_bn 2025-04-28 10:47 a.m.
So he has 24 hours to inform the defendants and get both of their agreements to representing both of them
mike_bn 2025-04-28 10:48 a.m.
It’s a high bar tell a defendant that he can’t use an attorney he wants to use. I’m not gonna willy-nilly. Throw him off the case because of a mistake which has been addressed and he will address and if he doesn’t address it then he’ll be disqualified and reported to the bar.(edited)
ian 2025-04-28 01:34 p.m.@mike_bn Your jackass, respectfully, the argument is there is a conflict of interest, and thus he cannot represent his clients adequately.
ian 2025-04-28 01:36 p.m.
There definitely is a bar for telling a defendant he can't use an attorney he wants to use—it's the one I named, prescribed in Wheat . The bar is "that [the sixth amendment presumption to counsel of choice] may be overcome not only by a demonstration of actual conflict but also by a showing of a serious potential for conflict." Id.
ian 2025-04-28 01:36 p.m.
There is conflict. I named it. It's in the motion.
ian 2025-04-28 01:37 p.m.
I believe you've misrepresented what our motion stood for and as such I ask you to reconsider.
mike_bnIt’s a high bar tell a defendant that he can’t use an attorney he wants to use. I’m not gonna willy-nilly. Throw him off the case because of a mistake which has been addressed and ...(edited)
ian 2025-04-28 02:48 p.m.
By the way, the issue wasn't addressed. The Defense counsel has continuously been ignoring my DMs and, yesterday, I told them about the conflict and that they should recuse. They once again ignored me, which is why I filed the motion.
mike_bn 2025-04-28 02:49 p.m.
denied end of story
mike_bndenied end of story
ian 2025-04-28 03:04 p.m.
Please make a paper ruling with reason
ian 2025-04-28 03:04 p.m.
for us
ian 2025-04-28 03:04 p.m.
if you could, your jackass
mike_bn 2025-04-28 03:28 p.m.
no
mike_bn 2025-04-28 03:29 p.m.
he has 24 hrs to notify the court that his client was warned
mike_bn 2025-04-28 03:29 p.m.
if not he will not be allowed to represent that other defendant
mike_bnno
ian 2025-04-28 03:33 p.m.
We require a paper ruling
ian 2025-04-28 03:33 p.m.
Or at least a signed order telling him to notify his client within 24 hrs
mike_bn 2025-04-28 04:08 p.m.
no
mike_bnhe has 24 hrs to notify the court that his client was warned
mike_bn 2025-04-28 04:08 p.m.
this is the ruling
mike_bn 2025-04-28 04:08 p.m.
cc @polyrabies
mike_bn 2025-04-28 04:16 p.m.
if u disagree appeal me
mike_bnif u disagree appeal me
ian 2025-04-28 04:20 p.m.
Need a ruling
mike_bn 2025-04-28 04:30 p.m.
# RULING #
Plaintiff's motion to disqualify counsel is denied.
/s/ insertreality
insertreality
District Court Judge(edited)
Plaintiff's motion to disqualify counsel is denied.
/s/ insertreality
insertreality
District Court Judge(edited)
mike_bnhe has 24 hrs to notify the court that his client was warned
polyrabies 2025-04-28 06:03 p.m.
I did
polyrabiesI did
mike_bn 2025-04-28 06:32 p.m.
OK, you’re certified to me as an officer of the court that both the defendants are OK with you representing them together
mike_bn# RULING # Plaintiff's motion to disqualify counsel is denied. /s/ insertreality insertreality District Court Judge(edited)
ian 2025-04-28 06:41 p.m.
Seems a bit vague...
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ian 2025-04-28 06:49 p.m.
Mx. Underprothonotary this is a channel for court proceedings
ian 2025-04-28 06:49 p.m.
Not random gif tomfoolery
ianSeems a bit vague...
mike_bn 2025-04-28 07:06 p.m.
Watch your tone
mike_bn 2025-04-28 07:06 p.m.
Quit being a salty twat because I don’t agree with you
mike_bnWatch your tone
ian 2025-04-28 07:21 p.m.
I don't mean to be disrespectful your jackass—if we are to appeal the issues which we present will be easier to describe with a detailed ruling from your chambers
ian 2025-04-28 07:23 p.m.
If instead you decide to only issue that short ruling it might be a bit...harder, which is why were expecting an in-depth ruling, preferably in paper—you don't have to though and we'll abide by your decision not to
ian 2025-04-28 07:23 p.m.
(On your own)
ian 2025-04-28 07:24 p.m.
Submitting a motion for clarification is on the table as always
ianNeed a ruling
Nicklaus 2025-04-28 07:41 p.m.
u need a reason on the record to allow appellate review
Nicklaus 2025-04-28 07:41 p.m.
he stated his reason
Nicklaus 2025-04-28 07:41 p.m.
dm me if u want case law
mike_bn 2025-04-28 07:56 p.m.
Its finals week
mike_bn 2025-04-28 07:57 p.m.
I’m not sitting down and writing a ruling
mike_bn 2025-04-28 07:57 p.m.
For something as stupid
mike_bn 2025-04-28 07:57 p.m.
Reason is its baseless
ian 2025-04-28 08:11 p.m.
You didnt adequately consider the motion
Nicklaus 2025-04-28 08:15 p.m.
he literally explained why ur two arguments are baseless
ian 2025-04-28 08:16 p.m.
He didn't
Nicklaus 2025-04-28 08:17 p.m.
what r ur two arguments
Dante 2025-04-28 08:24 p.m.
Our argument for the motion to disqualify was that a settlement offer was made to one of the co-defendants which is contradictory to the interests of the other defendant. This creates a clear conflict of interest as having one defense counsel represent both co-defendants would compromise the fairness of the settlement negotiation. It would inherently conflict the interests of the two co-defendants against each other of which would actually be considered in different circumstances (Having two separate counsels)
mike_bn 2025-04-28 08:42 p.m.
how do you know that
mike_bn 2025-04-28 08:42 p.m.
its privledged #1
mike_bn 2025-04-28 08:43 p.m.
#2 you cant just make a conclusory statement and expect me to hear it like its gospel
mike_bn 2025-04-28 08:43 p.m.
this is all of this motion
mike_bn 2025-04-28 08:43 p.m.
there is no further discussion
mike_bn 2025-04-28 08:43 p.m.
you will not change my mind
mike_bn 2025-04-28 08:43 p.m.
feel free to appeal me
mike_bnits privledged #1
ian 2025-04-28 08:45 p.m.
No it's not
ian 2025-04-28 08:45 p.m.
It went through every federal appeal in Wheat
mike_bn 2025-04-28 08:45 p.m.
there is no further discussion
mike_bn 2025-04-28 08:45 p.m.
you will not change my mind
ian 2025-04-28 08:45 p.m.
Ok
mike_bn 2025-04-28 08:45 p.m.
feel free to appeal me
ian 2025-04-28 09:14 p.m.@mike_bn we will be moving for clarification on your ruling for appeal
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:27 p.m.
no
mike_bnno
ian 2025-04-28 09:28 p.m.
?
ian 2025-04-28 09:28 p.m.
we do have a due process right to move for clarification to facilitate an appeal
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:28 p.m.
its clear enough
mike_bn#2 you cant just make a conclusory statement and expect me to hear it like its gospel
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:28 p.m.
right here
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:28 p.m.
now stop asking me
ian 2025-04-28 09:28 p.m.
that's not the ruling
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:28 p.m.
okay i dont care
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:28 p.m.
its clear
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:29 p.m.
ask me again i dare u
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:29 p.m.
ur becoming very annoying because u didnt get your way
ian 2025-04-28 09:30 p.m.
your jackass we are intending to appeal as per our rights—to facilitate that we also have a right to move for clarification. I won't say anything else if it'd bother you but we will proceeding in that course of action
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:31 p.m.
add a prong to your appeal
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:31 p.m.
if u think i am not clear enough
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:34 p.m.
check with ur client if thats the route u want to go
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:34 p.m.
opinion time for sc is over 6 months
mike_bn 2025-04-28 09:34 p.m.
if cert is granted
Nicklaus 2025-04-28 11:01 p.m.
mahn maybe the motion was unclear
Nicklaus 2025-04-28 11:01 p.m.
pretty clear reasoning
ian 2025-04-30 09:21 p.m.MOTION FOR CLARIFICATION
Cc@mike_bn @Nicklaus @polyrabies
Courtesy Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13HlgpusY_YbPRVitJ0F7lSWuNY6RivVd/view?usp=sharing
Nicklauspretty clear reasoning
mike_bn 2025-04-30 11:56 p.m.
this is my clarification
mike_bn 2025-04-30 11:58 p.m.
just because its not in my ruling doesnt mean it doesnt exist
mike_bn 2025-04-30 11:58 p.m.
wait until you find out how orders in open court are handled
mike_bn 2025-04-30 11:58 p.m.
in the exact same way
mike_bn 2025-04-30 11:58 p.m.
since this is, by all definitions, open court
mike_bn 2025-04-30 11:59 p.m.
this channel is no different than going for a hearing before a judge in person
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:00 a.m.
motion for clarification denied
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:00 a.m.
it is baseless and moot since the matter has been clarified
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:05 a.m.
your original motion is accusatory at best
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:05 a.m.
"a settlement offer has been presented to Defendant UltraInstinctShxggy that is
adversative to Defendant Combatrole's interests."
adversative to Defendant Combatrole's interests."
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:05 a.m.
how is it adverse
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:06 a.m.
a conclusory statement which i will not consider
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:06 a.m.
"counsel is barred by the Mayflower State Bar Ethical Code from representing" no he is not
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:07 a.m.
im using your case law against you here
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:07 a.m.
in wheat
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:08 a.m.
that is talking about criminal cases
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:08 a.m.
you have no right to counsel in a civil case
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:14 a.m.
looking beyond the context of the case, lets just pretend this case is binding and not merely persuasive (if that)
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:14 a.m.
"demonstration of actual conflict but also by a showing of a serious potential for conflict"
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:15 a.m.
your motion was nothing but finger pointing
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:15 a.m.
"oh there is something adverse"
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:15 a.m.
what is it?
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:15 a.m.
its like youre fishing but using a fucking rock as the bait, im not gonna bite
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:16 a.m.
counsel has stated that both clients are okay with it
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:17 a.m.
counsel is in compliance with rule 1.7
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:17 a.m.
^ this is all the clarification you are getting
mike_bn 2025-05-01 12:17 a.m.
nothing else on this let me enjoy my vacation i will be embarking on friday
mike_bna conclusory statement which i will not consider
ian 2025-05-01 08:11 a.m.
It's supposed to be a settlement offer given in private to UltraInstinctShxggy
ian 2025-05-01 08:11 a.m.
I don't want his co-defendant knowing about it
ian 2025-05-01 08:21 a.m.
Also you should probably assume it as correct considering the defense waived their response
ian 2025-05-01 08:21 a.m.
The reason we moved for clarification is we would like an actual minute ruling specifying the reasons as you originally gave them
mike_bnhe has 24 hrs to notify the court that his client was warned
ian 2025-05-01 01:07 p.m.
we want to know if the defense has complied with this
polyrabiesI did
mike_bn 2025-05-01 02:35 p.m.
l
ian 2025-05-01 02:35 p.m.
Ok
ianI don't want his co-defendant knowing about it
mike_bn 2025-05-01 02:35 p.m.
the rules and your case law conflict
mike_bn 2025-05-01 02:35 p.m.
im siding with the rules
mike_bn 2025-05-01 02:35 p.m.
that is all the explaination youre getting there is nothing further
mike_bn 2025-05-01 02:35 p.m.
on this issue
ian 2025-05-01 02:36 p.m.
Ok
Nicklaus 2025-05-04 08:21 p.m.
are responses still due the 10th
Nicklaus 2025-05-04 08:21 p.m.
there was too much yapping
Nicklaus 2025-05-04 08:21 p.m.
Motion to stop yapping
Nicklausare responses still due the 10th
ian 2025-05-04 08:21 p.m.
Yes
Nicklausare responses still due the 10th
mike_bn 2025-05-05 12:08 a.m.
Yes
Nicklaus 2025-05-07 10:43 p.m.@Dyno
mike_bn 2025-05-10 03:04 p.m.@Nicklaus
mike_bn 2025-05-10 03:04 p.m.@polyrabies
Nicklaus 2025-05-10 03:43 p.m.
hey will have it when I come inside
Nicklaus 2025-05-10 03:43 p.m.
i been out all day
Nicklaushey will have it when I come inside
ian 2025-05-10 03:44 p.m.
No please don't
Nicklaus 2025-05-10 03:44 p.m.
Oh buddy you messed with the wrong guy
Nicklaus 2025-05-10 03:44 p.m.
ian 2025-05-10 03:45 p.m.
Thats not the joke read again
Nicklaus 2025-05-10 04:32 p.m.
I’ll be inside in like 30 min
Nicklaus 2025-05-10 04:33 p.m.
it’s gonna be a mtd but I’ll write an actual response to go with it too so we don’t waste 5 more days
Nicklaus 2025-05-10 04:33 p.m.
Yw 
Nicklausit’s gonna be a mtd but I’ll write an actual response to go with it too so we don’t waste 5 more days
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:34 p.m.
pls reply first
mike_bnpls reply first
Nicklaus 2025-05-10 04:34 p.m.1
well I’m worried submitting a reply first waives all the MTD defenses
1Nicklaus 2025-05-10 04:34 p.m.
under the rules
Nicklaus 2025-05-10 04:34 p.m.
and under federal rules
Nicklaus 2025-05-10 04:35 p.m.
i know for sure under our rules
Nicklaus 2025-05-10 04:35 p.m.
cuz I’ve looked at it before
ian 2025-05-10 04:35 p.m.@Nicklaus check dms
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:35 p.m.
Okay as long as a reply is in too
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:35 p.m.
by deadline
ian 2025-05-10 04:41 p.m.@mike_bn you might be inclined to say no because it's late but hear me out
ian 2025-05-10 04:41 p.m.
we wish to amend our complaint to stop asking for injunctive relief
ian 2025-05-10 04:41 p.m.
that way SGO doesnt defend the defendants only poly does
ian 2025-05-10 04:41 p.m.
which makes it a lot less messy
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:41 p.m.@Nicklaus thoughts?
ian 2025-05-10 04:41 p.m.
i've been talking with him
ian 2025-05-10 04:42 p.m.
it doesn't prejudice anyone at all—the defendants won't have to change their answer, it's not their job to defend the injunctive part of OFMC
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:42 p.m.
what about the torts against gov
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:43 p.m.
would you want to do away with those as well, or argue individual capacity
mike_bnwhat about the torts against gov
ian 2025-05-10 04:43 p.m.
OFMC is only a tort against government when you're asking for injunctive relief
ian 2025-05-10 04:43 p.m.
they defend injunctive relief
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:44 p.m.
also for the record toby is disqualified as counsel for plaintiff
ian 2025-05-10 04:44 p.m.
the monetary part of OFMC is nominally considered official capacity but isn't in reality
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:44 p.m.
since he is a judge now
ian 2025-05-10 04:44 p.m.
oh yea whatever
ian 2025-05-10 04:44 p.m.
didnt realize he was counsel of record
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:44 p.m.
np
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:44 p.m.
okay
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:45 p.m.
well
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:45 p.m.<#1357692390567186693>
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:46 p.m.
thats there for my record
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:46 p.m.
okay i get your drift now
mike_bnokay i get your drift now
ian 2025-05-10 04:46 p.m.
cool
ian 2025-05-10 04:47 p.m.
can we drop the injunctive ask
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:47 p.m.
its constructively striken
ian 2025-05-10 04:47 p.m.
amend complaint or just note it as dropped like we did with the lamppost to speed sign thing
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:47 p.m.
dont bother amending it
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:47 p.m.
its ok
ian 2025-05-10 04:47 p.m.
ok great
ian 2025-05-10 04:47 p.m.
COOL ass beans
mike_bn pinned a message to this channel.2025-08-28 07:30 p.m.
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:47 p.m.
for my record
ian 2025-05-10 04:47 p.m.@Nicklaus thank you
ian 2025-05-10 04:47 p.m.
bye 
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:47 p.m.
so he will still be named in quasi
ian 2025-05-10 04:47 p.m.
yea
ian 2025-05-10 04:47 p.m.
but SGO doesnt defend it
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:47 p.m.
correct
ian 2025-05-10 04:48 p.m.
yea
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:48 p.m.@polyrabies take notice please
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:48 p.m.
i also may have to recuse from this
ian 2025-05-10 04:48 p.m.
dont
ian 2025-05-10 04:48 p.m.
just dont do the bar thing
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:48 p.m.
too late
ianjust dont do the bar thing
Nicklaus 2025-05-10 04:48 p.m.
skull
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:48 p.m.
unless @polyrabies doesnt object
ian 2025-05-10 04:48 p.m.
omg bro reassignment is gonna delay this daysy
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:48 p.m.
to me presiding over both the displinary hearing
ian 2025-05-10 04:49 p.m.
days
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:49 p.m.
and this
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:49 p.m.
i assure you both i can remain impartial
mike_bnto me presiding over both the displinary hearing
ian 2025-05-10 04:49 p.m.
have nomadity do it
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:49 p.m.
its okay
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:49 p.m.
there are judges hungry for cases
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:49 p.m.
so i will leave that
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:49 p.m.@Nicklaus you are excused
mike_bn used /remove
clerkFlow Bot2025-05-10 04:49 p.m. @mike_bn has removed @Nicklaus from the case channel.
Case Modified
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:49 p.m.
so poly pls send reply and your input
mike_bnian 2025-05-10 04:49 p.m.
is there no way i could have you continue presiding over this but not the disciplinary hearing
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:49 p.m.
if you want me to recuse i will, i understand
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:50 p.m.
ehhh ill give it to nom
ian 2025-05-10 04:50 p.m.
W
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:50 p.m.
but @polyrabies if u have an objection since i know about the case and did a little work on it
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:50 p.m.
feel free to raise it
mike_bnehhh ill give it to nom
ian 2025-05-10 04:51 p.m.
yes please do that
ian 2025-05-10 04:51 p.m.
or did you mean you're doing that but you still might recuse from this
ian 2025-05-10 04:51 p.m.
ill just say we would like you to recuse in the bar but not here. lets see what poly says
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:54 p.m.
I recused bar
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:55 p.m.
But I had some involvement
mike_bn 2025-05-10 04:55 p.m.
So if poly needs recusal here I respect it
ian 2025-05-10 06:26 p.m.@mike_bn deadline time is very late for me
ian 2025-05-10 06:26 p.m.
Can I submit a default package in a couple hours and you consider it submitted after the due date if they dont make the deadline
ian 2025-05-10 06:27 p.m.
Cuz otherwise im not gonna be able to submit it in time probably
mike_bn 2025-05-10 06:52 p.m.
bruh yall had forever
mike_bnbruh yall had forever
ian 2025-05-10 06:54 p.m.
Uhm
ian 2025-05-10 06:55 p.m.
Im the..plaintiff
ian 2025-05-10 06:55 p.m.
What Im asking is to submit a default package before the deadline because the actual deadline is late
mike_bnbut @polyrabies if u have an objection since i know about the case and did a little work on it
polyrabies 2025-05-10 07:11 p.m.
i object.
polyrabies 2025-05-10 07:11 p.m.
and want you to recuse.
ian 2025-05-10 07:11 p.m.
Great
ian 2025-05-10 07:12 p.m.@Brenda Cornwallis re-assign
ian 2025-05-10 07:12 p.m.
Please
Brenda Cornwallis 2025-05-10 09:39 p.m.
Ministeria juris non causa.
Reassigned.
Brenda Cornwallis 2025-05-10 09:39 p.m.@Kezzera
Brenda CornwallisMinisteria juris non causa. Reassigned.
ian 2025-05-10 09:47 p.m.@Kezzera plaintiff requests leave of court to file default package prior to the due date of a response
ian 2025-05-10 09:48 p.m.
because it's due in three or so hours and we believe the defense will not file anything as they're offline (they were pinged multiple times before this lol), and counsel for plaintiff (me) will not be awake at the actual due date
ian 2025-05-10 09:49 p.m.
we ask you allow us to submit the default package and, if the defense does fail to submit a responsive pleading, consider it was submitted after the due date or, if they do submit one, consider the default package moot
polyrabies 2025-05-11 01:18 a.m.
Filed.
Kezzera 2025-05-11 03:49 a.m.
there's about a million things i will need to catch up on
Kezzera 2025-05-11 03:51 a.m.
going forward:
- no yap between eachother. take it to dms or in chambers which you will get access to in a bit, need this decluttered badly
- we're clarifying which stage of the case we're at now
- availability for hearings will be made in advance
- don't complain if you don't get detailed reasons for a particular decision on a motion, etc. that does not require detailed reasons in support
- no yap between eachother. take it to dms or in chambers which you will get access to in a bit, need this decluttered badly
- we're clarifying which stage of the case we're at now
- availability for hearings will be made in advance
- don't complain if you don't get detailed reasons for a particular decision on a motion, etc. that does not require detailed reasons in support
Kezzera 2025-05-11 03:51 a.m.
me using the 
Kezzera 2025-05-11 03:52 a.m.
i will tag counsellors about next steps and clarification on where we're at
Kezzera 2025-05-11 03:52 a.m.
website will reflect decisions made so far
Kezzeragoing forward: - no yap between eachother. take it to dms or in chambers which you will get access to in a bit, need this decluttered badly - we're clarifying which stage of the ca...
ian 2025-05-11 06:53 a.m.1
Having the defense filed their answer we would be in pre trial now
1polyrabiesClick to see attachment.
ian 2025-05-11 06:55 a.m.
... @Kezzera @polyrabies you are not counsel for foxfragment
ian 2025-05-11 06:55 a.m.
Foxfragment is in default
ian 2025-05-11 07:02 a.m.
So we'll submit our motion for default judgment on fox
ian 2025-05-11 09:37 a.m.
Ok @Kezzera @polyrabies Plaintiff moves to strike the answer on the grounds that Polyrabies is not the legal representative of FoxFragment
ian 2025-05-11 09:37 a.m.
and if he is, that's irrelevant—Fox needs to be in this Discord for proceedings to take place
ian 2025-05-11 09:37 a.m.
as such we will submit a default package in opposition of him were this motion to be granted
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:37 p.m.
so i understand it then that, until it's shown otherwise, foxfragment is not represented
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:38 p.m.
combatrole specifically asked for poly
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:38 p.m.
so is UIS
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:39 p.m.
the paperwork is all over the place so im having a pretty difficult time keeping track of what's happened thus far(edited)
ianOk @Kezzera @polyrabies Plaintiff moves to strike the answer on the grounds that Polyrabies is not the legal representative of FoxFragment
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:39 p.m.
ok, i will expect that
Kezzerathe paperwork is all over the place so im having a pretty difficult time keeping track of what's happened thus far(edited)
ian 2025-05-11 12:40 p.m.
ill try to give the rundown
ian 2025-05-11 12:40 p.m.
we sued in individual and OFMC
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:40 p.m.
ok, i see that
ian 2025-05-11 12:40 p.m.
fox never wanted to come here
ian 2025-05-11 12:40 p.m.
we offered a settlement offer to a defendant adversative to the others so we asked the judge he disqualify defense counsel
ian 2025-05-11 12:41 p.m.
it was overruled
ian 2025-05-11 12:41 p.m.
we moved for clarification on that and it was overruled we decided not to appeal
ian 2025-05-11 12:41 p.m.
then we dropped the equitable relief portion of OFMC which means OSG doesn't represent the defendants
ian 2025-05-11 12:41 p.m.
and now we're here
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:41 p.m.
okay, so OSG is out
ian 2025-05-11 12:41 p.m.
yes
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:42 p.m.
and poly is the only counsel so far remaining for defendants, save for fox
ian 2025-05-11 12:42 p.m.
yes
ian 2025-05-11 12:42 p.m.
fox is in default
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:42 p.m.
we can confirm fox is still employed with DOS and is resident here?
ian 2025-05-11 12:42 p.m.
no
ian 2025-05-11 12:42 p.m.
he left
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:42 p.m.
so fox is just completely gone
ian 2025-05-11 12:42 p.m.
yes from clark
ian 2025-05-11 12:42 p.m.
but he was still summoned
ian 2025-05-11 12:43 p.m.
insert got a hold of him and served him
ian 2025-05-11 12:43 p.m.
he very rudely refused to come
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:43 p.m.
yes i can see that
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:43 p.m.
i will stress that it's quite hard to recover anything
ian 2025-05-11 12:43 p.m.
it's fine, we'
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:43 p.m.
within prompt time
ian 2025-05-11 12:43 p.m.
sent accidentally
Kezzerai will stress that it's quite hard to recover anything
ian 2025-05-11 12:44 p.m.
if you mean from fox yeah we know but we'd like to proceed
ian 2025-05-11 12:44 p.m.
in default
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:44 p.m.
okay, just be aware that it is very unlikely you can recover anything unless they do return
ian 2025-05-11 12:44 p.m.
yeah i know
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:44 p.m.
and i will make it so that you will communicate it
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:44 p.m.
any decision we make here
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:44 p.m.
directly to them
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:44 p.m.
their information has been provided by judge insert for everyone's benefit
ian 2025-05-11 12:44 p.m.
we'll move to strike the defense's answer and submit a default judgment package for foxfragment
ian 2025-05-11 12:45 p.m.
additionally once the answer is stricken we'll move for default on the other two defendants as well, if you'd allow that
ian 2025-05-11 12:45 p.m.
because it'd mean they havent submitted a non-stricken document before the deadline
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:45 p.m.
okay - you can submit separately the two or have it bundled, just distinguish them if bundled
ian 2025-05-11 12:45 p.m.
in fact they didnt submit anything before the deadline the answer itself was late
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:45 p.m.
is it the entire answer you are striking or only the ones pertaining to fox?
ianin fact they didnt submit anything before the deadline the answer itself was late
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:45 p.m.
i'll enquire this
ian 2025-05-11 12:46 p.m.
we're going to move to strike the entire answer
at least because of the foxfragment part, but likely some more stuff as well
at least because of the foxfragment part, but likely some more stuff as well
ian 2025-05-11 12:46 p.m.
but we will strike the entirety of it
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:47 p.m.
if it's only because of fox, i would recommend only as to fox unless there's more basis justifying the entire answer
ian 2025-05-11 12:47 p.m.
there's likely going to be more stuff
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:47 p.m.
ok, i will expect that
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:47 p.m.
otherwise it will be filed
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:47 p.m.
i'm a bit troubled that i see no NOAs but i will just put it in the Rulings/Updates tab of the website
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:48 p.m.
reflecting it
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:48 p.m.
since insert doesn't really fw it as much
ian 2025-05-11 12:48 p.m.
yea i asked poly submit a NOA but insert said it wasnt necessary
ian 2025-05-11 12:48 p.m.
yea
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:48 p.m.
i will ask for NOAs going forward
ian 2025-05-11 12:48 p.m.
ill probably add co counsel so yes
ian 2025-05-11 12:48 p.m.
so should we expect you to entertain a motion for default judgment after the answer is stricken
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:49 p.m.
NOAs would normallybe required but i do not have the energy to force everyone here to file retroactive ones, we're all gathered anyway and there seems to be no dispute as to the appearance now - i will mark it as if NOAs were filed and entered(edited)
ianso should we expect you to entertain a motion for default judgment after the answer is stricken
Kezzera 2025-05-11 12:49 p.m.
well, i need to see the motion..
ian 2025-05-11 12:50 p.m.
Ok
polyrabiesClick to see attachment.
ian 2025-05-11 01:01 p.m.
I asked ChatGPT if he wrote this
ian 2025-05-11 01:03 p.m.@Kezzera what would be the procedure for disciplining polyrabies if this document was written entirely by AI
ian 2025-05-11 01:03 p.m.
I know it's happened before with chikem tendie but Im not sure what steps to take.
ian 2025-05-11 01:39 p.m.MOTION TO STRIKE DEFENSE'S ANSWER
Cc@Kezzera @polyrabies
Courtesy Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K0qPwksdkHq2E5BDLV-mjFn0Jx7pxrX3/view?usp=sharing
ian 2025-05-11 01:40 p.m.
Filed
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:44 p.m.@polyrabies I've read your answer
mike_bn 2025-05-11 06:44 p.m.
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:44 p.m.
Notwithstanding the MTS what on earth are you referring to in your General Denial paragraph
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:45 p.m.
Why is it formatted this way as well
ian 2025-05-11 06:45 p.m.
your honor respectfully it's an ass answer and it it's clearly gai generated
ian 2025-05-11 06:46 p.m.
im not sure if you've read our motion yet
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:46 p.m.
I have but I don't think it is necessary at this rate
KezzeraWhy is it formatted this way as well
ian 2025-05-11 06:46 p.m.
it's how ChatGPT formats them
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:46 p.m.
I've seen this formatting before
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:46 p.m.
If I go on chatgpt will it format it like this
ian 2025-05-11 06:46 p.m.
I know because admittedly I have used chatGPT to write me motions before (when I wasnt certified and just wanted to fool around)
ian 2025-05-11 06:47 p.m.
it literally formats them like that
ian 2025-05-11 06:47 p.m.
it gives you the [attorney name] and everything
ian 2025-05-11 06:47 p.m.
please strike this ong
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:47 p.m.
Well the answer is not in proper form
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:47 p.m.
So I cannot accept it at all
ian 2025-05-11 06:47 p.m.
Great
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:47 p.m.
This is just ridiculous to say the least
ian 2025-05-11 06:47 p.m.
And since it's a blatant abuse of the judicial process to file a motion like this (and past the deadline) we will move for default on all three defendants
ian 2025-05-11 06:47 p.m.
not just fox
ianAnd since it's a blatant abuse of the judicial process to file a motion like this (and past the deadline) we will move for default on all three defendants
ian 2025-05-11 06:48 p.m.
answer*
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:52 p.m.
Well I want an explanation by tomorrow from @polyrabies why he's made a reference to a statute that doesn't exist and why it is not in proper form
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:53 p.m.
Why it's not signed and verified by himself too
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:54 p.m.
I think as the party who also took issue with it you'd probably want to know as well @ian
ian 2025-05-11 06:55 p.m.
Yes of course
ian 2025-05-11 06:55 p.m.
Can you set a strict deadline so we can move for default if he doesn't make it
ian 2025-05-11 06:55 p.m.
For the explanation
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:56 p.m.
Tomorrow
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:56 p.m.
End of day tomorrow
KezzeraEnd of day tomorrow
ian 2025-05-11 06:57 p.m.
what timezone are you
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:58 p.m.
Bst but I use Pacific time
ian 2025-05-11 06:58 p.m.1
Ok PDT EOD tomorrow
1Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:58 p.m.
May 12 2025 11:59PM P.T.
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:59 p.m.@polyrabies explanation by then
Kezzera 2025-05-11 06:59 p.m.
If I hear nothing I will assume you have nothing to say
KezzeraIf I hear nothing I will assume you have nothing to say
ian 2025-05-11 07:00 p.m.
In that case could we ask he be held in contempt for submitting chatgpt motions
ian 2025-05-11 07:00 p.m.
Answers
ian 2025-05-11 07:00 p.m.
Like chicken tender
Kezzera 2025-05-11 07:00 p.m.
Temdie faced no sanctions other than a stern warning
ian 2025-05-11 07:00 p.m.
Yeah but he had a valid excuse
ian 2025-05-11 07:00 p.m.
I doubt Poly does
ian 2025-05-11 07:00 p.m.
He had 18 days to file an answer
Kezzera 2025-05-11 07:01 p.m.
No he was very junior
ianHe had 18 days to file an answer
ian 2025-05-11 07:01 p.m.
He did it on the last day, rushed, after the deadline and with chatGPT
Kezzera 2025-05-11 07:01 p.m.
I will consider what the next steps are for the matter
ian 2025-05-11 07:01 p.m.
So he is deserving of contempt
ian 2025-05-11 07:01 p.m.
Ok
Kezzera 2025-05-11 07:02 p.m.
This has been going on for a month almost nowhere so we're stopping further nonsense(edited)
ian 2025-05-11 07:02 p.m.
W judge
ianKezzera 2025-05-11 08:17 p.m.
Denied - default submissions become available if explanation is not provided for answer to complaint issue raised earlier
KezzeraDenied - default submissions become available if explanation is not provided for answer to complaint issue raised earlier
ian 2025-05-11 08:34 p.m.
That was before
ian 2025-05-11 08:34 p.m.
It's a moot request
KezzeraWell I want an explanation by tomorrow from @polyrabies why he's made a reference to a statute that doesn't exist and why it is not in proper form
polyrabies 2025-05-11 10:55 p.m.
Hello, which line specifically
KezzeraWhy it's not signed and verified by himself too
polyrabies 2025-05-11 11:00 p.m.
Okay so, as for the signature that was a Computer formating issue
polyrabies 2025-05-11 11:01 p.m.
basically it didnt add my signature, and i didnt believe it was a huge issue as its just a signature
polyrabies 2025-05-11 11:01 p.m.
No pazrty
polyrabies 2025-05-11 11:01 p.m.
party is contesting whethere this was infact a response generaed by me
polyrabies 2025-05-11 11:02 p.m.
so i dont think it should be an issue cause i filed it with my discord acc, so i'd assume thats enough verification. thats my explanation
polyrabies 2025-05-11 11:06 p.m.
as for this, this was a mistake i copy and pasted the wrong citation
KezzeraSo I cannot accept it at all
polyrabies 2025-05-11 11:13 p.m.
If you can't its ok, in the case my clients do have to pay I would make this court aware that they aren't able to pay and it will take them 2-3 months to make enough money to pay.
polyrabies 2025-05-11 11:14 p.m.
That's all I have to say. Hope we all have an amazing day.
polyrabies 2025-05-11 11:17 p.m.
Oh and I forgot to say as to explain "why its not in proper form"? I'd assume it is, it does respond to the allegations in the civil complaint and does serve as a response.
ian 2025-05-12 05:38 a.m.@polyrabies is this pleading AI generated
ian 2025-05-12 05:44 a.m.@Kezzera I request a formal hearing to strike the answer and after that an OSC hearing
ian 2025-05-12 06:27 a.m.@Kezzera
ianpolyrabies 2025-05-12 07:00 a.m.
order of show cause hearing cause a signature was missing?
polyrabies 2025-05-12 07:00 a.m.
polyrabiesOkay so, as for the signature that was a Computer formating issue
Kezzera 2025-05-12 08:44 a.m.
..computer formatting issue?
Kezzera 2025-05-12 08:44 a.m.
what tool do you use??
polyrabiesOh and I forgot to say as to explain "why its not in proper form"? I'd assume it is, it does respond to the allegations in the civil complaint and does serve as a response.
Kezzera 2025-05-12 08:45 a.m.
no.. you need to include the name of parties
Kezzera 2025-05-12 08:45 a.m.
i remember you doing that in a previous case
Kezzera 2025-05-12 08:45 a.m.
so i don't knowwhat happened here
polyrabiesIf you can't its ok, in the case my clients do have to pay I would make this court aware that they aren't able to pay and it will take them 2-3 months to make enough money to pay.
Kezzera 2025-05-12 08:45 a.m.
you aren't willing to at least propose a new submission of some kind?(edited)
ianKezzera 2025-05-12 08:46 a.m.
i've already rejected the answer, he can still submit a new one(edited)
polyrabiesas for this, this was a mistake i copy and pasted the wrong citation
Kezzera 2025-05-12 08:46 a.m.
what were you meaning to cite?
Kezzerai've already rejected the answer, he can still submit a new one(edited)
ian 2025-05-12 09:52 a.m.
We move for default
ian 2025-05-12 09:52 a.m.
We'll submit a default judgment package once Im out of school as soon as I can
polyrabiesorder of show cause hearing cause a signature was missing?
ian 2025-05-12 09:52 a.m.
Order to show cause why you filed a clearly ChatGPT-written document into the court's record
Kezzerayou aren't willing to at least propose a new submission of some kind?(edited)
polyrabies 2025-05-12 09:53 a.m.
i will submit a new 1
ianOrder to show cause why you filed a clearly ChatGPT-written document into the court's record
polyrabies 2025-05-12 09:53 a.m.
ur allowed to use chatgpt
polyrabies 2025-05-12 09:53 a.m.
anyone can
Kezzerawhat tool do you use??
polyrabies 2025-05-12 09:53 a.m.
e signature
Kezzerawhat were you meaning to cite?
polyrabies 2025-05-12 09:54 a.m.
case law
polyrabiesur allowed to use chatgpt
Kezzera 2025-05-12 10:37 a.m.
...
Kezzera 2025-05-12 10:37 a.m.
did you use gpt?
polyrabiescase law
Kezzera 2025-05-12 10:38 a.m.
it's extremely unnecessary
Kezzera 2025-05-12 10:41 a.m.
i never had to refer to any case law for something that parties know they are able to do
Kezzera 2025-05-12 10:41 a.m.
don't even know how you confuse a citation of statute and a citation of case law
ianWe move for default
Kezzera 2025-05-12 10:42 a.m.
this is your choice
Kezzera 2025-05-12 10:58 a.m.
ok, here's what im going to do so i don't invite chaos
Kezzera 2025-05-12 11:02 a.m.@polyrabies @ian
For defense counsel:
- you will answer all the remaining questions before you file an answer, i want to know if and to what extent ChatGPT was used, including the citations. from that i will determine whether a hearing is warranted or if i will just give you another opportunity to submit an answer
For plaintiff counsel:
- you are asked to hold off on submitting your motions until I invite you to do so - i'm curious about defense counsel's submissions and i will not subject you to any unnecessary filings (that is dependent on what defense counsel can submit, etc.)
For defense counsel:
- you will answer all the remaining questions before you file an answer, i want to know if and to what extent ChatGPT was used, including the citations. from that i will determine whether a hearing is warranted or if i will just give you another opportunity to submit an answer
For plaintiff counsel:
- you are asked to hold off on submitting your motions until I invite you to do so - i'm curious about defense counsel's submissions and i will not subject you to any unnecessary filings (that is dependent on what defense counsel can submit, etc.)
Kezzera 2025-05-12 11:02 a.m.
if a hearing is warranted, it will be specifically because of the discrepancies in the initial answer to complaint(edited)
Kezzera 2025-05-12 11:04 a.m.
both of you are free to prepare your submissions, i just won't accept them right away(edited)
Kezzeraian 2025-05-12 11:22 a.m.
Let me know when I can submit my filings please
ian 2025-05-12 11:22 a.m.
We intend to motion for an order to show cause (if you dont do it yourself), motion for default and motion for sanctions maybe
Kezzera 2025-05-12 02:08 p.m.
ok
Kezzerapolyrabies 2025-05-12 05:43 p.m.
ChatGPT wasn’t used
polyrabies 2025-05-12 05:43 p.m.
polyrabies 2025-05-12 05:43 p.m.
Ignore voice note
polyrabies 2025-05-12 05:43 p.m.
Accident
polyrabiesChatGPT wasn’t used
ian 2025-05-12 05:46 p.m.@Kezzera obviously this is a lie
ian 2025-05-12 05:47 p.m.
We ask he be required to say it under oath in an OSC hearing so we can have him prosecuted for perjury after proving it is GAI-written
polyrabiesChatGPT wasn’t used
Kezzera 2025-05-12 05:52 p.m.
you swear?(edited)
polyrabiesur allowed to use chatgpt
ian 2025-05-12 06:03 p.m.
Federal precedent holds "there is nothing inherently improper about using a reliable artificial intelligence tool for assistance. But existing rules impose a gatekeeping role on attorneys to ensure the accuracy of their filings." Mata v. Avianca, Inc. , No. 2022-CV-1461 (S.D.N.Y. 2022) (unpublished opinion and order) (available at https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/1:2022cv01461/575368/55/)
ian 2025-05-12 06:04 p.m.
I would argue this is not a reliable tool
ian 2025-05-12 06:04 p.m.
And you still 100% violated the second prong
Kezzerayou swear?(edited)
ian 2025-05-12 06:04 p.m.
Is this an official administering of an oath?
ian 2025-05-12 06:04 p.m.
If not we ask it be official
ian 2025-05-12 06:05 p.m.
And preferably by EOD today so we can continue with the case. This is taking way too long and Defense counsel is intentionally wasting the court's time by failing to answer for long periods of time, prolonging the case and prejudicing my client
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:03 p.m.
i don't think we'll even do a hearing
@polyrabies at the moment we're past the given deadline of may 10 for defense's answer- you've had time to chip away at it and i received something that i reasonably cannot accept
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:04 p.m.
the plaintiff is now free to go forward with their actions
ian 2025-05-12 07:04 p.m.
default?
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:04 p.m.
you don't have time to file anymore - tell me why i should change my mind @polyrabies
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:04 p.m.
and give you a new deadline
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:06 p.m.
you've not given me much to work with in your response to my questions
ian 2025-05-12 07:10 p.m.
order incoming possibly
ian 2025-05-12 07:10 p.m.
lot of typing
ian 2025-05-12 07:11 p.m.
Kezzerayou don't have time to file anymore - tell me why i should change my mind @polyrabies
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:11 p.m.
here are some questions you can answer:
- you've had around three weeks to write and submit this; why did these avoidable issues occur
- what is the case law you wanted to reference (for some reason) in your GD
- your e-signature response is insufficient - i have never seen this happen with "e signature" tools and i want you to tell me what the name of this tool is to back up your claim
- are you willing to submit a proper answer, and if so when
- you've had around three weeks to write and submit this; why did these avoidable issues occur
- what is the case law you wanted to reference (for some reason) in your GD
- your e-signature response is insufficient - i have never seen this happen with "e signature" tools and i want you to tell me what the name of this tool is to back up your claim
- are you willing to submit a proper answer, and if so when
ian 2025-05-12 07:11 p.m.
your honor could we ask they not be given the possibility to submit a new answer
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:12 p.m.
i want you to respond to this by Tuesday, May 13, 2025 at 6:59 p.m.
ian 2025-05-12 07:12 p.m.
the chatgpt answer in itself was submitted late
Kezzerai want you to respond to this by Tuesday, May 13, 2025 at 6:59 p.m.
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:12 p.m.@polyrabies
ianthe chatgpt answer in itself was submitted late
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:12 p.m.
they won't be unless i change my mind
ian 2025-05-12 07:12 p.m.
okay
ian 2025-05-12 07:12 p.m.
can i move for default then
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:12 p.m.
at this rate it's a matter of whether i grant an extension and i have given them one last opportunity
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:12 p.m.
yes you can
ian 2025-05-12 07:12 p.m.
thanks
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:13 p.m.
i won't consider it until a response is made
Kezzeraat this rate it's a matter of whether i grant an extension and i have given them one last opportunity
ian 2025-05-12 07:13 p.m.
in my opinion you've been more than lenient
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:13 p.m.
you won't need to refile it if it falls through the first time
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:13 p.m.
it's amendable
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:14 p.m.
usually before a deadline
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:14 p.m.
i will be extra nice here in observance of finals week
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:14 p.m.
i assume everyone here is doing one
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:15 p.m.
file it through the website, here's the case link
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:15 p.m.
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:16 p.m.
you should both now have permission to file
ian 2025-05-12 07:19 p.m.PLAINTIFF DEFAULT JUDGMENT PACKAGE
Cc@Kezzera
Courtesy Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cEY329LMfDG7MQWhQa_ue4DTbG6lY5sL/view?usp=sharing
ian 2025-05-12 07:21 p.m.@Dante confirm u can type here
Kezzeraian 2025-05-12 07:22 p.m.
add dante
Kezzera 2025-05-12 07:23 p.m.
ok
ianian 2025-05-12 07:23 p.m.
filed
Dante 2025-05-12 07:33 p.m.
Confirming
Kezzerahere are some questions you can answer: - you've had around three weeks to write and submit this; why did these avoidable issues occur - what is the case law you wanted to referenc...
polyrabies 2025-05-13 01:31 a.m.
1. Well I didn’t have 3 weeks this case was constantly delayed as I was originally representing fox but they fled Clark and I had to try my best to ascertain what was going on with that as fox was a defendant so that took some time as fox was going through mental health complications irl
2. I forgot ngl I will try remember
3. It’s called docusign it provides an e signature but it’s buggy so the signature didn’t print
2. I forgot ngl I will try remember
3. It’s called docusign it provides an e signature but it’s buggy so the signature didn’t print
polyrabies 2025-05-13 01:31 a.m.
I am willing to submit a proper answer within 24 hours if you allow me to do so
ian 2025-05-13 06:25 a.m.
Fox was literally never represented by you he left Clark before we filed the suit
ian 2025-05-13 06:25 a.m.
You knew that
ian 2025-05-13 06:25 a.m.
2. Chatgpt
polyrabiesI am willing to submit a proper answer within 24 hours if you allow me to do so
ian 2025-05-13 06:25 a.m.
we object
ian 2025-05-13 06:25 a.m.
He literally keeps saying it's not got
ian 2025-05-13 06:25 a.m.
Gpt*
ian 2025-05-13 06:26 a.m.
like just give it up bro holy bajeesus
ian 2025-05-13 06:26 a.m.
Allow us to move for sanctions please
polyrabies1. Well I didn’t have 3 weeks this case was constantly delayed as I was originally representing fox but they fled Clark and I had to try my best to ascertain what was going on with...
ian 2025-05-13 06:30 a.m.
Also where'd the fake citation come from??? It's chatgpt give it up
polyrabies1. Well I didn’t have 3 weeks this case was constantly delayed as I was originally representing fox but they fled Clark and I had to try my best to ascertain what was going on with...
Kezzera 2025-05-13 11:51 a.m.
1. i appreciate that fox is struggling with a serious mental health issue, so i will give the benefit of the doubt on that one
2. that's unacceptable
3. ok, i use docusign and i don't think that is what docusign does - it usually asks you to press/click on a field and you either handwrite or attach a pretyped/written electronic signature to the field already completed in advance(edited)
2. that's unacceptable
3. ok, i use docusign and i don't think that is what docusign does - it usually asks you to press/click on a field and you either handwrite or attach a pretyped/written electronic signature to the field already completed in advance(edited)
Kezzera 2025-05-13 11:52 a.m.
i don't know why you need that tool anyway, it's very extra for stuff happening here
Kezzera 2025-05-13 11:53 a.m.
i won't allow an extension, i cannot see any good reason here - sorry
Kezzera 2025-05-13 11:53 a.m.@ian your default package is entered
Kezzera 2025-05-13 11:55 a.m.
i will ask either of you to file a motion requesting an evidentiary hearing to assess proposed damages
Kezzera 2025-05-13 11:56 a.m.
(for plaintiff it's out of your own courtesy) (for the defendant this would be another opportunity for you to combat this)
Kezzera 2025-05-13 11:59 a.m.
i cannot consider fox's mental health as a part of assessment of damages, or for any aspect of the proceedings. i can only consider it as to their ability to partake in proceedings or as a beneficial (to them) factor as to why they cannot attend/were late, etc. (if anything, no MH defense was raised and raising one now would be quite problematic - may involve the seeking of advice from community moderation as to its compliance with Roblox TOS and community rules since MH is an extremely sensitive matter and never appropriate to utilize in a virtual game roleplay setting)(edited)
Kezzeraian 2025-05-13 12:02 p.m.
Thank you judge
Kezzerai cannot consider fox's mental health as a part of assessment of damages, or for any aspect of the proceedings. i can only consider it as to their ability to partake in proceedings...(edited)
ian 2025-05-13 12:03 p.m.
Yes I agree
ian 2025-05-13 12:03 p.m.
I will move for an evidentiary hearing later
Kezzerai cannot consider fox's mental health as a part of assessment of damages, or for any aspect of the proceedings. i can only consider it as to their ability to partake in proceedings...(edited)
Kezzera 2025-05-13 12:04 p.m.@polyrabies
Kezzera 2025-05-13 12:04 p.m.
and for above
ianI will move for an evidentiary hearing later
Kezzera 2025-05-13 12:04 p.m.
ok, thanks
Kezzeraok, thanks
ian 2025-05-13 12:55 p.m.
Actually
ian 2025-05-13 12:55 p.m.
Wouldnt the defense have to
ian 2025-05-13 12:55 p.m.
It's better for us if there isn't one as they wouldn't be able to argue against us
Kezzera 2025-05-13 01:20 p.m.
well we're gonna have to do it either way
Kezzerawell we're gonna have to do it either way
ian 2025-05-13 06:15 p.m.
Why
ian 2025-05-13 06:15 p.m.
We don't
ian 2025-05-13 06:16 p.m.
I'll motion for a hearing
ian 2025-05-13 09:01 p.m.@Kezzera could I just move you orally
ian 2025-05-13 09:01 p.m.
for a hearing
ianKezzera 2025-05-14 09:47 a.m.
no, has to be in writing
Kezzera 2025-05-14 09:47 a.m.
part of the rules
Kezzera 2025-05-14 09:47 a.m.@polyrabies for your benefit as well
Kezzera 2025-05-14 09:48 a.m.
see above
Kezzerano, has to be in writing
ian 2025-05-14 12:51 p.m.
OK.
ian 2025-05-14 03:57 p.m.PLAINTIFF MOTION FOR AN EVIDENTIARY HEARING
Cc:@Kezzera @polyrabies
Courtesy Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rWUR2-DqGKx7Tazcd9mfWunl-GY0HztG/view?usp=sharing
ianKezzera 2025-05-14 09:18 p.m.@polyrabies did you receive this?
Kezzeraian 2025-05-14 09:20 p.m.
I pinged him
ian 2025-05-14 09:21 p.m.
He is in receipt
ian 2025-05-14 09:21 p.m.
We should begin
polyrabies 2025-05-15 01:25 a.m.
Now I have
Kezzera 2025-05-15 06:15 a.m.@polyrabies are you opposed to this hearing taking place because its unnecessary, etc., or for any other reason?
polyrabies 2025-05-15 06:15 a.m.
No
Kezzera 2025-05-15 06:17 a.m.
okay i'll take it as that you will not oppose the motion
Kezzera 2025-05-15 06:17 a.m.@ian I grant this motion
Kezzera 2025-05-15 06:18 a.m.
An order will be entered relating to the evidentiary hearing, including direction on what to prepare and scheduling
Kezzera 2025-05-15 06:18 a.m.@polyrabies cc
KezzeraAn order will be entered relating to the evidentiary hearing, including direction on what to prepare and scheduling
ian 2025-05-15 06:19 a.m.
Can we make it continuous
Kezzera 2025-05-15 06:27 a.m.
sorry?
ian 2025-05-15 06:27 a.m.
Over Discord
Kezzera 2025-05-15 06:32 a.m.
is there a good reason why?
Kezzera 2025-05-15 06:32 a.m.@ian
Kezzera 2025-05-15 07:55 a.m.
we'll do just a simple meeting, doesn't have to be elaborate
Kezzerais there a good reason why?
ian 2025-05-15 09:48 a.m.
Better for me
Kezzera 2025-05-15 11:48 a.m.
we'll meet instead :)
Kezzerawe'll meet instead :)
ian 2025-05-15 01:04 p.m.
I don't see the point
ian 2025-05-15 01:04 p.m.
Over Discord is much easier
ian 2025-05-15 01:04 p.m.
Otherwise I have to find availability
ian 2025-05-15 01:04 p.m.
And a way to get to the court because I don't play Clark and that will delay it
ianAnd a way to get to the court because I don't play Clark and that will delay it
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:31 p.m.
that's not very good to hear
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:31 p.m.
if at all
Kezzerathat's not very good to hear
ian 2025-05-15 05:31 p.m.
I don't play Clark
ian 2025-05-15 05:31 p.m.
I'm not ashamed of it
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:32 p.m.
have you ever played it
ian 2025-05-15 05:32 p.m.
I just help people who do that have been wronged
Kezzerahave you ever played it
ian 2025-05-15 05:32 p.m.
Yes I've joined briefly to get paid, swear oaths, etc before
ian 2025-05-15 05:32 p.m.
Not actually played
ian 2025-05-15 05:33 p.m.
I've never done anything in it
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:33 p.m.
ok, well, in the interest of helping your client you can also appear in-game as required(edited)
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:33 p.m.
i will give you directions or arrange transport
ian 2025-05-15 05:33 p.m.
If you so wish
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:34 p.m.
i'm quite against doing anything with a 24 hour window
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:34 p.m.
or w/e
ian 2025-05-15 05:34 p.m.
Whenever I've needed to go somewhere since I don't know the map I just call a trusted taxi company
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:34 p.m.
i recommend Lander City Taxi Services or our reliable Mayflower Transport Authority Shuttle Service
ian 2025-05-15 05:35 p.m.
MTA is inactive
ian 2025-05-15 05:35 p.m.
I always used Columbia Taxi or something like that but they shut down so I'm onto LRTA now
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:38 p.m.
i confuse lrta for umia for some reason
ianMTA is inactive
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:38 p.m.
i see their shuttles quite often
Kezzerai see their shuttles quite often
ian 2025-05-15 05:38 p.m.
You probably do because you play quite often
ian 2025-05-15 05:38 p.m.
I myself don't play
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:39 p.m.
you WILL play the Hit game Clark County and Love it
ian 2025-05-15 05:39 p.m.
If they're on 30% of the time you have a somewhat likely chance of seeing them—for me it's nearly zero
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:39 p.m.
can you clarify your timezone?
ian 2025-05-15 05:39 p.m.
UTC-3
Kezzerayou WILL play the Hit game Clark County and Love it
ian 2025-05-15 05:40 p.m.
Yes I will 
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:40 p.m.
if we can't find availability then we'll just make it where both submit material
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:41 p.m.
and agree on rounds of assessments before i make it final
ian 2025-05-15 05:41 p.m.
Ok fine by me
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:46 p.m.
you'll get drafts then you both can indicate whether it's a fair assessment or if there needs to be corrections made on technical grounds
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:47 p.m.
i have the most up to date and available guidance with me so i dont think i'll be off
Kezzera 2025-05-15 05:47 p.m.@ian @polyrabies
Kezzera 2025-05-16 08:21 a.m.@polyrabies before default is given and entered, you are reminded of your right under rule 37 of the civil rules
Kezzeraian 2025-05-16 02:48 p.m.
Uh uhm
ian 2025-05-16 02:48 p.m.
Default was entered
Kezzeraian 2025-05-16 02:48 p.m.
?
Kezzera 2025-05-16 02:53 p.m.
i shouldve corrected that
Kezzera 2025-05-16 02:53 p.m.
i meant filed
Kezzera 2025-05-16 02:54 p.m.@ian
Kezzerai meant filed
ian 2025-05-16 03:01 p.m.
Judge
ian 2025-05-16 03:01 p.m.
You said that right before saying he wouldn't be allowed an extension
ian 2025-05-16 03:01 p.m.
I think it's pretty clear the meaning is that it's entered
ian 2025-05-16 03:02 p.m.
If not why are we having an evidentiary hearing
ian 2025-05-16 03:02 p.m.
We're strictly against the court going back on its order without cause
Kezzera 2025-05-16 03:02 p.m.
well we never went back on anything
Kezzera 2025-05-16 03:02 p.m.
but i did say entered
Kezzera 2025-05-16 03:03 p.m.
so, oh well
ian 2025-05-16 03:03 p.m.
Thanks
ian 2025-05-16 03:03 p.m.
If you could set a date for the hearing when you could, please
Kezzera 2025-05-16 03:03 p.m.
i'll put the paper out
Kezzera 2025-05-16 03:03 p.m.
confirming the entering of default judgment and the hearing
Kezzera 2025-05-16 03:04 p.m.
which i believe is unopposed
ian 2025-05-16 03:04 p.m.
I mean
ian 2025-05-16 03:04 p.m.
It's been like
ian 2025-05-16 03:04 p.m.
It's been three days since it was entered
ian 2025-05-16 03:04 p.m.
Probably five days since it was requested
ian 2025-05-16 03:04 p.m.
Literally no opposition from then
ian 2025-05-16 03:04 p.m.
So if they do intend to oppose we'll be against it
Kezzera 2025-05-16 03:08 p.m.
they said no and i said that i'll take it as unopposed
Kezzera 2025-05-16 03:08 p.m.
i've already got the papers drafted
Kezzera 2025-05-16 03:08 p.m.
just look out for scheduling link shortly
ian 2025-05-16 03:17 p.m.
OK
Kezzera 2025-05-17 05:25 p.m.@ian @polyrabies Orders have now been entered
Kezzera 2025-05-17 05:25 p.m.
See the website for them
Kezzera 2025-05-17 05:25 p.m.
The motion made under rule 37g is granted and a written order is attached containing information requested - to be made into a bundle
Kezzera 2025-05-17 05:26 p.m.
If anything listed within that order has been submitted kindly point this out in your bundle - if something cannot be produce provide a reason why, if possible
polyrabies 2025-05-17 08:33 p.m.
wont let me log in
polyrabies 2025-05-17 08:33 p.m.
to the site
polyrabieswont let me log in
ian 2025-05-17 08:44 p.m.
you don't have to
ian 2025-05-17 08:45 p.m.
ian 2025-05-17 08:45 p.m.
whats up with you not making the deadline and then using chatgpt for it by the way
ian 2025-05-17 08:45 p.m.
I thought you were the best lawyer in Clark (and barely 16)
Kezzera 2025-05-17 11:09 p.m.
counsellor
ianI thought you were the best lawyer in Clark (and barely 16)
Kezzera 2025-05-17 11:09 p.m.
i'm going to ask you to refrain from making any further comments about this now
ian 2025-05-17 11:10 p.m.
I won't
ian 2025-05-17 11:10 p.m.
Bundle by 21st
ian 2025-05-17 11:10 p.m.
Your owner
Kezzera 2025-05-17 11:15 p.m.
what?
ian 2025-05-17 11:15 p.m.
Your owner
ian 2025-05-17 11:16 p.m.
Like your honor but with a comedic twist
ian 2025-05-17 11:16 p.m.
Like in Suits
ian 2025-05-17 11:20 p.m.
Kezzera 2025-05-17 11:37 p.m.
i think your honor is suitable
ian 2025-05-17 11:38 p.m.1
As you please
1ian 2025-05-19 05:36 p.m.@Kezzera why doesn't it go back from 10 am
Kezzera 2025-05-19 05:56 p.m.
i set it for 9am-12am
Kezzera 2025-05-19 06:20 p.m.
do you see something different?
Kezzera 2025-05-19 06:20 p.m.@ian
Kezzerado you see something different?
ian 2025-05-19 06:40 p.m.
just the timezone prob
Kezzera 2025-05-19 07:14 p.m.
i think you can set it to local
Kezzera 2025-05-19 07:36 p.m.@ian if there's difficulty let meknow, can use a diff link
Kezzeraian 2025-05-19 07:38 p.m.
its fine
ian 2025-05-19 07:38 p.m.
i put my availability in
ian 2025-05-19 07:39 p.m.
yellow means maybe not sure or can accommodate with time
Kezzera 2025-05-19 07:39 p.m.
thanks
ian 2025-05-20 09:41 p.m.@Kezzera bundle tomorrow
ian 2025-05-20 09:41 p.m.
Not sure if you set a time deadline
ian 2025-05-20 09:41 p.m.
But yea ill send tomorrow
Kezzera 2025-05-21 02:42 p.m.
assume 11:59pm et if i haven't put a time
Kezzeraassume 11:59pm et if i haven't put a time
ian 2025-05-21 02:42 p.m.
When is that
Kezzera 2025-05-21 02:42 p.m.
from now?
Kezzera 2025-05-21 02:42 p.m.
uhh
Kezzera 2025-05-21 02:45 p.m.@ian 4 months ago
Kezzera 2025-05-21 02:45 p.m.@polyrabies ^
ian 2025-05-21 02:49 p.m.
Ok
ian 2025-05-21 06:36 p.m.
I dont wanna do a bundle bruhh
polyrabies 2025-05-21 07:12 p.m.
i cant make it
polyrabies 2025-05-21 07:12 p.m.
i have school
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:16 p.m.
okay, i think i've had enough
ianI dont wanna do a bundle bruhh
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:16 p.m.
do it
ian 2025-05-21 08:16 p.m.@Kezzera
ian 2025-05-21 08:16 p.m.
I will do it
polyrabiesi have school
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:16 p.m.
you shouldve told me
ian 2025-05-21 08:16 p.m.
Because I have to
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:16 p.m.
that your schooling may or will prevent
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:16 p.m.
you tell me this on the deadline for your bundle
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:16 p.m.
(to polyrabies)
Kezzerayou shouldve told me
ian 2025-05-21 08:16 p.m.
We ask they be excluded from the proceedings from now on
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:17 p.m.
i won't do that but if i don't receive the material then i will just consider what is available to me
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:17 p.m.
and assess that way
ian 2025-05-21 08:17 p.m.
Your honor irl defenses rarely get to appear if they are in default
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:18 p.m.
if defense counsel won't be able to appear then i revert to my previous option where we'll do just do it remotely, and informally
ian 2025-05-21 08:18 p.m.
I can assume with a lot of certainty that they never get to if they not only are in default but don't submit a bundle for an evidentiary hearing
Kezzeraif defense counsel won't be able to appear then i revert to my previous option where we'll do just do it remotely, and informally
ian 2025-05-21 08:18 p.m.
Without them?
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:18 p.m.
no, they'll be here
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:18 p.m.
it'll be done over discord
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:19 p.m.
but that's if i really have any questions at this rate
ian 2025-05-21 08:19 p.m.
If I may ask why are they being included
ian 2025-05-21 08:19 p.m.
If they've failed time and time again to do absolutely anything
ianI can assume with a lot of certainty that they never get to if they not only are in default but don't submit a bundle for an evidentiary hearing
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:19 p.m.
an attorney will at least submit something, or nothing if that is their position
ianIf I may ask why are they being included
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:19 p.m.
im not kicking out the defense counsel out of a discord case channel unless they're disruptive
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:20 p.m.
if they don't want to submit, they're at a massive loss
ian 2025-05-21 08:20 p.m.
They shouldn't be a part of the proceddings at all
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:20 p.m.
if they can't, then they should explain or suffer the same
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:20 p.m.
move it, i'm not doing it on my own accord
ian 2025-05-21 08:20 p.m.
Your honor it's common practice they be excluded if they didnt submit anything not even for the hearing
Kezzeramove it, i'm not doing it on my own accord
ian 2025-05-21 08:20 p.m.
This is my motion
ian 2025-05-21 08:20 p.m.
Unless you'd have it in paper only
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:21 p.m.
i don't even know why we're arguing this
ian 2025-05-21 08:21 p.m.
I don't want him to be able to appear and argue damages
ianYour honor it's common practice they be excluded if they didnt submit anything not even for the hearing
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:21 p.m.
okay? not here, they're still copied in even if they don't bother to do shit
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:21 p.m.
he won't get the opportunity if he does NOTHING
ian 2025-05-21 08:22 p.m.
He still will be allowed to argue to lower damages in opposition of what we present
ian 2025-05-21 08:22 p.m.
Which is not what should happen
ian 2025-05-21 08:22 p.m.
He shouldnt be there
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:22 p.m.
if he submits anything within the time i have given
ian 2025-05-21 08:22 p.m.
Defendants and their counsel are excluded from the proceedings when in default
ian 2025-05-21 08:22 p.m.
It proceeds ex parte, of sorts
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:22 p.m.
otherwise no, i don't have to hear their arguments since they've now lost that opportunity
ian 2025-05-21 08:22 p.m.
Ok
Kezzeraif he submits anything within the time i have given
ian 2025-05-21 08:22 p.m.
Of course I'm only asking IF he doesnt make the deadline
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:23 p.m.
obviously not..
ian 2025-05-21 08:23 p.m.
Right
ian 2025-05-21 08:23 p.m.
Ok
ian 2025-05-21 08:23 p.m.
I'll be asleep by deadline but I'll hold you to it tomorrow your honor
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:23 p.m.
i have the deadline set
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:23 p.m.
if you don't submit it by then i will just proceed with what i have from you so far
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:24 p.m.
i make 0 exceptions
ian 2025-05-21 08:24 p.m.
Im confused
ian 2025-05-21 08:24 p.m.
Is there going to be a hearing either way
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:24 p.m.
i meant the bundle
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:25 p.m.
defense counsel said they cannot make it because of school, so we'll just hold it here
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:25 p.m.
if we need to
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:26 p.m.
judging by how things are going i don't think that will really be necessary
ian 2025-05-21 08:26 p.m.
So most likely, we'll submit the bundle, defense will default, and you'll consider on your own accord
ian 2025-05-21 08:26 p.m.
?
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:26 p.m.
yes
Kezzera 2025-05-21 08:26 p.m.
unless something changes
ian 2025-05-21 08:56 p.m.@Kezzera how would we like
ian 2025-05-21 08:56 p.m.
present testimony
ian 2025-05-21 08:56 p.m.
without a hearing
ian 2025-05-21 08:57 p.m.
my understanding up to this was there was going to be a hearing
ian 2025-05-21 08:57 p.m.
Id like it if we could do the hearing so we can explain our case (defense not being allowed to attend or argue unless they do make the deadline) and present testimony
ian 2025-05-21 09:37 p.m.@Kezzera
ian 2025-05-21 09:37 p.m.
no testimony im assuming
ian 2025-05-21 09:37 p.m.
unfortunate
ian 2025-05-21 09:39 p.m.
Im going to sleep
ianmy understanding up to this was there was going to be a hearing
Kezzera 2025-05-21 09:40 p.m.
we could do it if you intend to call them, but i am not aware of your intention
Kezzera 2025-05-21 09:40 p.m.
and we can still do it async, not preferable but if i have to then fine
Kezzeraand we can still do it async, not preferable but if i have to then fine
ian 2025-05-21 09:46 p.m.
Lets do async with witnesses
ian 2025-05-21 09:46 p.m.
I already filed without witness list
ian 2025-05-21 09:47 p.m.
Could we just note witness 1 is thejonathantank (plaintiff, lay)
ian 2025-05-21 09:47 p.m.
Thats it
Kezzera 2025-05-21 09:53 p.m.
well, defense counsel would then participate
Kezzera 2025-05-21 09:53 p.m.
and test the evidence
ian 2025-05-21 09:53 p.m.
No I'd object to that your honor
ian 2025-05-21 09:53 p.m.
They shouldnt participate either way
ian 2025-05-21 09:53 p.m.
Async or not
Kezzera 2025-05-21 09:55 p.m.
do you see where that might, in fact, be an issue?
Kezzera 2025-05-21 09:58 p.m.
is there a legal basis for me to hold an evidentiary hearing without the other party being afforded an opportunity to test* the evidence? is there anything to support that?(edited)
ian 2025-05-21 09:58 p.m.
It's common in default
Kezzera 2025-05-21 09:58 p.m.
where the fuck do you get this from?
ian 2025-05-21 09:58 p.m.
Ill find you something
Kezzerawhere the fuck do you get this from?
ian 2025-05-21 09:58 p.m.
Can I actually find it
ian 2025-05-21 09:58 p.m.
Tomorrow
ian 2025-05-21 09:58 p.m.
Im in bed rn
Kezzera 2025-05-21 09:59 p.m.
okay
ian 2025-05-21 09:59 p.m.
Hearing wont be till late tomorrow anyway, at the least
ian 2025-05-21 09:59 p.m.
Ok ty good night
Kezzera 2025-05-21 10:35 p.m.
if you mean a prima facie showing on ur end, i get that - i've just never heard of the defense counsel not being allowed to appear at least in this scenario considering they did at least make an appearance in the case (to clarify)(edited)
Kezzerayou shouldve told me
polyrabies 2025-05-21 10:41 p.m.
sorry i was busy with school so i really didnt see the scheduling request until tday to be exact i have school monday - friday 9-3pm australian time i could probably skip school but my parents would kill me
Kezzera 2025-05-21 10:43 p.m.
let's not skip school over this
Kezzera 2025-05-21 10:43 p.m.
we can just do it via discord asynchronously if we have to
Kezzera 2025-05-21 10:43 p.m.
with one guy expected to be called, i really doubt there'd be difficulties over that
Kezzera 2025-05-21 10:44 p.m.
if it were to happen i'd just ask that questions be answered in one go, and try to control the amount of back-and-forth
polyrabies 2025-05-21 10:49 p.m.
this is mny schedule for this week
polyrabies 2025-05-21 10:50 p.m.
so i dont think i'll be able to cause
polyrabies 2025-05-21 10:50 p.m.
ur british i think and after 3 pm schooltime for me it's like 1 am for u or something
Kezzera 2025-05-21 11:49 p.m.
(THE ABOVE IMAGE WAS DELETED AND MOVED TO A DIFFERENT CHANNEL TO PREVENT UNNECESSARY PUBLIC DISCLOSURE)
Kezzera 2025-05-21 11:50 p.m.
Note: Image was related to Defense Counsel's availability
Kezzera 2025-05-21 11:51 p.m.
ok, if the evidentiary hearing were to proceed, we will do it asynchronously - in that case instructions will be given on how to proceed
Kezzera 2025-05-21 11:52 p.m.
it will be done here if it were to happen - this will allow enough time for response
Kezzera(THE ABOVE IMAGE WAS DELETED AND MOVED TO A DIFFERENT CHANNEL TO PREVENT UNNECESSARY PUBLIC DISCLOSURE)
ian 2025-05-22 07:20 a.m.
Can you put it in Scheduling
Kezzerait will be done here if it were to happen - this will allow enough time for response
ian 2025-05-22 07:21 a.m.
I will argue he don't make a case later
ianCan you put it in Scheduling
Kezzera 2025-05-22 07:43 a.m.
no on pii grounds
Kezzera 2025-05-22 07:43 a.m.
His times are wholly incompatible
ianI will argue he don't make a case later
Kezzera 2025-05-22 07:45 a.m.
you really take issue with them even being allowed the ability to attend at least , but you'll provide evidence
Kezzera 2025-05-22 07:46 a.m.
someone's at least gotta be there if they can be here
Kezzera 2025-05-22 08:02 a.m.
they're very much an argument to be made that they be allowed to challenge the amount of damages sought - there's case law in various and comparable jurisdictions where it supports them to do this; whether the missing of a bundle deadline and potentially others may preclude them from participating now is a strong factor to consider and potentially a matter of law - I would expect something on this or some procedural barring against the defaulting party in this state (not aware of anything explicit)(edited)
Kezzerathey're very much an argument to be made that they be allowed to challenge the amount of damages sought - there's case law in various and comparable jurisdictions where it supports...(edited)
ian 2025-05-22 08:11 a.m.
OK, I don't object to his attendance
ian 2025-05-22 08:11 a.m.
Again our only witness is thejonathantank
ian 2025-05-22 08:11 a.m.
Lay
ian 2025-05-22 08:11 a.m.
We're ready for the hearing
ian 2025-05-22 08:12 a.m.
We would however ask the court impose some sort of other sanction (contempt, fine) for disregarding the Court's order
ian 2025-05-22 08:12 a.m.
And for bad representation
Kezzera 2025-05-22 09:15 a.m.
ok, i may consider it
Kezzera 2025-05-22 09:16 a.m.
but the missing of a deadline here would proportionally be met with the barring of them not being able to raise anything new at this stage
Kezzera 2025-05-22 09:16 a.m.
unless it is directly challenging the testimony of the witness(edited)
Kezzera 2025-05-22 09:16 a.m.
and that would be it
Kezzera 2025-05-22 09:16 a.m.
i will make that clear in an order later today
ian 2025-05-22 06:49 p.m.@Kezzera reminder for the order
ian 2025-05-22 06:49 p.m.
and set a date
iancall it a day
ian 2025-05-23 09:34 a.m.
I didnt upload this to the website
ian 2025-05-23 09:34 a.m.
Ill do that once Im out of school
ian 2025-05-23 09:37 a.m.
Nvm done
Kezzera 2025-05-23 12:37 p.m.
ok, thanks
Kezzera 2025-05-23 08:10 p.m.@ian @polyrabies Order for the hearing is entered
Hearing is set to begin FROM 12:00am ET MAY 24, 2025. This is asynchronous and done here on Discord.
Directions:
1. Plaintiff will make an opening address, and present the witness. Entering of evidence is to be done contemporaneously with a bulk set of questions.
2. Questions to the witnesses will be given in bulk form. References to evidence is made in advance and included in the bulk of questions.
3. Witness will answer to the bulk of questions in the same (bulk) manner.
4. Follow up questions are to be in bulk, and answered in the same manner.
5. When ended, Defense Counsel may cross examine. All questions must be in bulk, and answered in the same manner.
6. Defense Counsel may make reference to evidence, which is only the evidence entered by plaintiff
7. Defense Counsel cannot enter their evidence as there is none to refer to.(edited)
Hearing is set to begin FROM 12:00am ET MAY 24, 2025. This is asynchronous and done here on Discord.
Directions:
1. Plaintiff will make an opening address, and present the witness. Entering of evidence is to be done contemporaneously with a bulk set of questions.
2. Questions to the witnesses will be given in bulk form. References to evidence is made in advance and included in the bulk of questions.
3. Witness will answer to the bulk of questions in the same (bulk) manner.
4. Follow up questions are to be in bulk, and answered in the same manner.
5. When ended, Defense Counsel may cross examine. All questions must be in bulk, and answered in the same manner.
6. Defense Counsel may make reference to evidence, which is only the evidence entered by plaintiff
7. Defense Counsel cannot enter their evidence as there is none to refer to.(edited)
Kezzera 2025-05-23 08:10 p.m.
Max Duration: 2 days
Kezzeraian 2025-05-23 08:37 p.m.
Whats 12 pm et
ian 2025-05-23 08:38 p.m.
When is it
Kezzera 2025-05-23 08:44 p.m.
12am, in 3hr 16 min
Kezzera 2025-05-23 08:49 p.m.
you can start it whenever after 12am et(edited)
Kezzerayou can start it whenever after 12am et(edited)
ian 2025-05-24 07:36 a.m.
Hi
ian 2025-05-24 07:36 a.m.
I was asleep
ian 2025-05-24 07:36 a.m.
I'll deliver opening now
ian 2025-05-25 07:11 a.m.@Kezzera you'd need to give my client access to the channel 1
1ian 2025-05-25 07:18 a.m.
Your Honor, today we will present evidence and testimony that clearly demonstrate the actions of the Defendants were egregiously and outstandingly evil, and the Plaintiff suffered as a result. These were actions that officers of law don't think to do, ever—conduct that, unpunished, will collapse society. This court should not only punish the Defendants heavily, but award the Plaintiff such compensation we listed in our bundle, so that justice can be made and our Plaintiff can rest.
Thank you.
Thank you.
ian 2025-05-25 07:18 a.m.
For our witness we call @thejonathantank
ian 2025-05-25 07:18 a.m.
He cant speak tho
Kezzera 2025-05-25 08:14 a.m.@ian done
Kezzera used /administeroath
clerkFlow Bot2025-05-25 08:15 a.m.@thejonathantank (edited)Which type of oath would you like to swear to?
Religious - Involves swearing to god that your testimony is, or will be, truthful.
Non-Religious - Solemnly affirms that your testimony is, or will be, truthful, under the pains and penalties of perjury. Religious Oath Non-Religious Oath
Oath Selection
ian 2025-05-25 08:16 a.m.
Ig we'll wait for him to be online
Kezzera 2025-05-25 08:17 a.m.
fine w me
Kezzera 2025-05-25 08:17 a.m.
Cold symptoms rn
Kezzera 2025-05-25 08:18 a.m.
so im reading when I csn
ian 2025-05-25 08:18 a.m.
Get better sono
Kezzera 2025-05-25 08:20 a.m.
Thank u
BotclerkFlowclerkFlow Bot2025-05-25 09:03 a.m.@thejonathantank Do you solemnly affirm that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, under the pains and penalties of perjury?
Non-Religious Oath
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 09:03 a.m.
yes
ian 2025-05-25 09:03 a.m.@Kezzera does it have to be bulk
ian 2025-05-25 09:03 a.m.
Pls
ian 2025-05-25 09:03 a.m.
We're all here
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:07 a.m.
eh
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:07 a.m.
fuck it whatever
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:07 a.m.
dont do it in bulk if you dont want to but it's gonna like
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:07 a.m.
drag on for days
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:07 a.m.
that's why i suggested bulnk
ian 2025-05-25 09:08 a.m.
Witness is here so am I
ian 2025-05-25 09:08 a.m.
Thanks anyway
ian 2025-05-25 09:08 a.m.@thejonathantank
ian 2025-05-25 09:09 a.m.
Mr. Jonathan, you are the Plaintiff in this case—the person that is suing the officers—correct?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 09:19 a.m.
yes
thejonathantankyes
ian 2025-05-25 09:20 a.m.
The lawsuit arises out of an incident that happened on 8 April 2025, correct?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 09:21 a.m.
yes
ian 2025-05-25 09:22 a.m.
I'm going to show you a video from our bundle now, labeled Exhibit A.
ian 2025-05-25 09:23 a.m.@thejonathantank Do you recognize this video? (Y/n)
ianthejonathantank 2025-05-25 09:24 a.m.
y
thejonathantanky
ian 2025-05-25 09:24 a.m.
Did you take this video?
ianDid you take this video?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 09:25 a.m.
y
thejonathantanky
ian 2025-05-25 09:26 a.m.
Is that you in the pink car?
ianIs that you in the pink car?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 09:26 a.m.
y
thejonathantanky
ian 2025-05-25 09:26 a.m.
Has this video, to your knowledge, besides being trimmed for relevancy, been edited or altered at all from the video you originally recorded?
ianHas this video, to your knowledge, besides being trimmed for relevancy, been edited or altered at all from the video you originally recorded?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 09:27 a.m.
no
thejonathantankno
ian 2025-05-25 09:27 a.m.
Please watch the clip and describe what happens in it.
ianPlease watch the clip and describe what happens in it.
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 09:39 a.m.
I was driving down the highway when an armored car merged into me from the other side of the highway, causing me to crash. And then the occupants of the armored car started shooting at me and my car after I crashed. They then got out and started using their batons to beat me.
ian 2025-05-25 09:40 a.m.@Kezzera We move to enter Exhibit A
ian 2025-05-25 10:01 a.m.@Kezzera
ian 2025-05-25 10:08 a.m.@Kezzera can we enter exhb a please
ian 2025-05-25 10:17 a.m.@Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-05-25 12:10 p.m.
oh sorry gang
Kezzera 2025-05-25 12:10 p.m.
yes
Kezzera 2025-05-25 12:10 p.m.@ian
ian 2025-05-25 12:10 p.m.
Ok cool beans
ian 2025-05-25 12:10 p.m.@thejonathantank still here?
ian 2025-05-25 03:29 p.m.@thejonathantank
ian 2025-05-25 03:30 p.m.
Your car was severely damaged as a result of the shots, yes?
ian 2025-05-25 03:30 p.m.
I'll rephrase—
ian 2025-05-25 03:31 p.m.
Was your car damaged as a result of the shots?
ianWas your car damaged as a result of the shots?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 04:21 p.m.
yes
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 04:21 p.m.
very damaged
thejonathantankvery damaged
ian 2025-05-25 04:21 p.m.
How much did the car cost to buy?
ianHow much did the car cost to buy?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 04:23 p.m.
7150
thejonathantank7150
ian 2025-05-25 04:24 p.m.
Is that in Union of Columbia Dollars (UCD)?
ianIs that in Union of Columbia Dollars (UCD)?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 04:24 p.m.
yes
ian 2025-05-25 07:39 p.m.@thejonathantank
ian 2025-05-25 07:40 p.m.
You were shot multiple times, along with your car, right?
ian 2025-05-25 07:40 p.m.
And hit with batons
ianYou were shot multiple times, along with your car, right?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:32 p.m.
yes
ianAnd hit with batons
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:32 p.m.
yes
thejonathantankyes
ian 2025-05-25 08:32 p.m.
You must've lost a lot of health as well, right?
ianYou must've lost a lot of health as well, right?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:34 p.m.
yes
thejonathantankyes
ian 2025-05-25 08:34 p.m.
Was it stressful to be assaulted and bettered like this?
ianWas it stressful to be assaulted and bettered like this?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:35 p.m.
yes
thejonathantankyes
ian 2025-05-25 08:35 p.m.
You must've been very emotionally distressed, then.
ian 2025-05-25 08:35 p.m.
Correct?
ianYou must've been very emotionally distressed, then.
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:36 p.m.
yes that is correct
ian 2025-05-25 08:36 p.m.
Alright
ian 2025-05-25 08:37 p.m.
I'll show you a new exhibit now
thejonathantankyes that is correct
ian 2025-05-25 08:38 p.m.
Specifically look at the second picture (you need to click the link)
ian 2025-05-25 08:38 p.m.
That would be exhibit C
ian 2025-05-25 08:38 p.m.
Please let me know once you've seen it
ianPlease let me know once you've seen it
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:39 p.m.
seen
thejonathantankseen
ian 2025-05-25 08:39 p.m.
That photo was taken from a frame from Exhibit A (the video), correct?
ianThat photo was taken from a frame from Exhibit A (the video), correct?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:39 p.m.
yes
thejonathantankyes
ian 2025-05-25 08:40 p.m.
Do you think it was altered at all, besides being cropped for relevancy?
ianDo you think it was altered at all, besides being cropped for relevancy?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:40 p.m.
no
thejonathantankno
ian 2025-05-25 08:41 p.m.
Would you agree it shows defendant FoxFragment and Combatrole?
ianWould you agree it shows defendant FoxFragment and Combatrole?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:43 p.m.
yes
ian 2025-05-25 08:43 p.m.@Kezzera we move to enter exhb C
ian 2025-05-25 08:44 p.m.@thejonathantank I'll now show you exhibit E
ian 2025-05-25 08:44 p.m.
Do you recognize this image ?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:44 p.m.
yes
ian 2025-05-25 08:44 p.m.
Is this the arrest report of your false arrest after the incident?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:44 p.m.
yes
ian 2025-05-25 08:45 p.m.
Are you certain it was not modified, besides cropped for relevance?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:45 p.m.
yes
thejonathantankyes
ian 2025-05-25 08:46 p.m.
The DOJ agreed to vacate that record because they found it to be false, correct?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:46 p.m.
yes
ian 2025-05-25 08:46 p.m.@Kezzera we move to enter exhb E into the record
thejonathantankyes
ian 2025-05-25 08:46 p.m.
As a result of that arrest, you served jailtime, correct?
ianAs a result of that arrest, you served jailtime, correct?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:47 p.m.
yes
ianKezzera 2025-05-25 08:47 p.m.
let it be entered
ianKezzera 2025-05-25 08:47 p.m.
let it ALSO be entered
thejonathantankyes
ian 2025-05-25 08:47 p.m.
would you say all of the officers (in a way) "conspired" to arrest you falsely, and acted in concert?
ian 2025-05-25 08:48 p.m.
Or was the arrest of a single officer
ianwould you say all of the officers (in a way) "conspired" to arrest you falsely, and acted in concert?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:48 p.m.
yes
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:48 p.m.
they were working together
ian 2025-05-25 08:48 p.m.
How much jailtime did you have to serve as a result of the false arrest?
ianHow much jailtime did you have to serve as a result of the false arrest?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:51 p.m.
I believe it was 10 minutes
thejonathantankI believe it was 10 minutes
ian 2025-05-25 08:52 p.m.
Did this false arrest that sentenced you to lose 10 minutes of your time cause you distress?
ianDid this false arrest that sentenced you to lose 10 minutes of your time cause you distress?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:53 p.m.
yes
ianian 2025-05-25 08:55 p.m.@thejonathantank Please look at the third image of this link, that would be exhibit D
ian 2025-05-25 08:55 p.m.
Let me know when done
ianLet me know when done
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:55 p.m.
done
thejonathantankdone
ian 2025-05-25 08:55 p.m.
Do you recognize that picture?
ianDo you recognize that picture?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:56 p.m.
yes
thejonathantankyes
ian 2025-05-25 08:56 p.m.
Did you take it?
ianDid you take it?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:56 p.m.
yes
thejonathantankyes
ian 2025-05-25 08:56 p.m.
What does it show?
ianWhat does it show?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:57 p.m.
the 3 officers taking me to booking
ian 2025-05-25 08:58 p.m.@Kezzera we move to enter D too
thejonathantankthe 3 officers taking me to booking
ian 2025-05-25 08:58 p.m.
Lastly,
ian 2025-05-25 08:58 p.m.
Do you recognize the first picture in that link?
ianDo you recognize the first picture in that link?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:58 p.m.
yes
ian 2025-05-25 08:58 p.m.
(Exhb B)
thejonathantankyes
ian 2025-05-25 08:58 p.m.
Did you take it?
ianDid you take it?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:58 p.m.
yes
thejonathantankyes
ian 2025-05-25 08:58 p.m.
What does it depict?
ianWhat does it depict?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 08:59 p.m.
the officers driving me into port
ianian 2025-05-25 08:59 p.m.@Kezzera withdrawn
thejonathantankthe officers driving me into port
ian 2025-05-25 08:59 p.m.
The first picture in that link, specifically.
ian 2025-05-25 09:00 p.m.
Exhibit B
ianThe first picture in that link, specifically.
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 09:00 p.m.
the 3 officers taking me to booking
thejonathantankthe 3 officers taking me to booking
ian 2025-05-25 09:01 p.m.
To your knowledge was it altered at all besides being cropped for relevance?
ianTo your knowledge was it altered at all besides being cropped for relevance?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 09:01 p.m.
no
ian 2025-05-25 09:01 p.m.@Kezzera we move to enter B
ianKezzera 2025-05-25 09:01 p.m.
- noted
ianKezzera 2025-05-25 09:02 p.m.
wasn't B entered earlier?
thejonathantankno
ian 2025-05-25 09:02 p.m.
As to the one I showed you earlier, the third picture, exhibit D, where you described the Defendants were taking you to booking
Kezzerawasn't B entered earlier?
ian 2025-05-25 09:02 p.m.
We entered A
ian 2025-05-25 09:02 p.m.
e
ian 2025-05-25 09:02 p.m.
c
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:02 p.m.
ah
ian 2025-05-25 09:02 p.m.
Now B
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:02 p.m.
okay, we'll enter it
ian 2025-05-25 09:02 p.m.
Almost done w D
ianAs to the one I showed you earlier, the third picture, exhibit D, where you described the Defendants were taking you to booking
ian 2025-05-25 09:02 p.m.@thejonathantank was it altered or modified at all besides being cropped for relevance?
ianthejonathantank 2025-05-25 09:02 p.m.
no
ian 2025-05-25 09:03 p.m.@Kezzera we move to enter D
ian 2025-05-25 09:03 p.m.
Thats all our exhibits
ian 2025-05-25 09:04 p.m.@Kezzera
ian 2025-05-25 09:12 p.m.@Kezzera you were just heree 1
1ian 2025-05-25 09:16 p.m.
Ok
ian 2025-05-25 09:16 p.m.@thejonathantank
ian 2025-05-25 09:17 p.m.
How would you describe these officers' conduct?
ianHow would you describe these officers' conduct?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 09:18 p.m.
unprofessional, reckless, excessive force, no regard for public safety
thejonathantankunprofessional, reckless, excessive force, no regard for public safety
ian 2025-05-25 09:19 p.m.
Do you agree they should be punished for this?
ianDo you agree they should be punished for this?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 09:19 p.m.
yes
thejonathantankyes
ian 2025-05-25 09:19 p.m.
As to your personal relationship with the situation, how were you harmed by these officers' outstandingly illegal conduct?
ianAs to your personal relationship with the situation, how were you harmed by these officers' outstandingly illegal conduct?
thejonathantank 2025-05-25 09:23 p.m.
I was harmed physically and it caused me emotional distress
ian 2025-05-25 09:23 p.m.@Kezzera I yield, or however you'd say it
ian 2025-05-25 09:24 p.m.@polyrabies your turn 
ian 2025-05-25 09:24 p.m.@Kezzera note poly is online atm. Hearing ends in ~5? hours
Pending motion above to enter an exhibit
Pending motion above to enter an exhibit
ianKezzera 2025-05-25 09:29 p.m.
entered
Kezzeraentered
ian 2025-05-25 09:30 p.m.
Pls dont grant extensions
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:30 p.m.
to be fair, i did say just throw it all in once and i'd enter it anyway
ian 2025-05-25 09:30 p.m.
Poly is online
Kezzerato be fair, i did say just throw it all in once and i'd enter it anyway
ian 2025-05-25 09:30 p.m.
Mb ig
ianKezzera 2025-05-25 09:30 p.m.
if it's near the date then yes but i'd have to give equal amount of time for things he can do
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:30 p.m.
so it may be extended/not
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:30 p.m.
format in the same manner
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:30 p.m.
ask live q
ian 2025-05-25 09:30 p.m.
Please dont extend he is online
ian 2025-05-25 09:30 p.m.
And hes had time
ian 2025-05-25 09:31 p.m.
If he had been timely with his other pleadings it'd be fine for you to consider extensions
ian 2025-05-25 09:31 p.m.
But he's defaulted on literally everything
ian 2025-05-25 09:31 p.m.
He defaulted on default
ian 2025-05-25 09:31 p.m.
He does not deserve extensions
ianHe defaulted on default
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:31 p.m.
a new saying
ian 2025-05-25 09:31 p.m.
Quote me on it
ianKezzera 2025-05-25 09:32 p.m.
well from this point this is the end of your case
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:32 p.m.
or do you mean end of Qs
Kezzerawell from this point this is the end of your case
ian 2025-05-25 09:32 p.m.
I can still rebut no?
ian 2025-05-25 09:32 p.m.
Yea end of questions
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:32 p.m.
oh
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:32 p.m.
yes so poly will get cross opportunity unless none
ian 2025-05-25 09:32 p.m.
Now he crosses, and we can rebut
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:32 p.m.
yes
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:32 p.m.
ok, we'll wait
Kezzerayes so poly will get cross opportunity unless none
ian 2025-05-25 09:32 p.m.
He needs to cross within 5 hours
ian 2025-05-25 09:33 p.m.
Ngl though Im going to sleep in half an hour
Kezzera 2025-05-25 09:33 p.m.
take time as needed
ian 2025-05-25 09:33 p.m.
It'd be nice if you allowed me time to specifically rebut if needed tomorrow afternoon
ian 2025-05-25 09:33 p.m.
Since we have been timely unlike them
ian 2025-05-25 10:20 p.m.@Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-05-25 10:42 p.m.
im open to it
ian 2025-05-25 10:42 p.m.
Ok ty
ian 2025-05-25 10:42 p.m.@polyrabies
ian 2025-05-25 10:43 p.m.
Cross
polyrabies 2025-05-25 11:39 p.m.
I dont think i need to say to much here
polyrabies 2025-05-25 11:42 p.m.
the video clearly shows ur client driving over 120mph dsyncing and making an ARMORED POLICE VEHICLE FLIP. while there were 3 occupants inside who were all law enforcement officers actively responding to an emergency. ur client also was boloed for murder and previously killed a papd officer not less then 10 minutes before the clip started. my clients simply did there job and took ur client into custody. them shooting at ur clients vehicle was legally warranted as he postde an active threat to life as he was driving 120 mph intentionally dsynced a ARMORED POLICE TANK WITH 3 OFFICERS INSIDE AND MADE THE TANK FLIP OVER MEANING THE OFFICERS COULD EASILY SUSTAIN SERIOUS INJURY and ur client was boloed for murder so he was armed and dangerous in the eyes of my clients
polyrabies 2025-05-25 11:42 p.m.
if we make my clients pay money cause the plaintiff is a clear criminal who drives at 120mph makes armoured police vehicles flip and endangers everyones life while also murdering cops
polyrabies 2025-05-25 11:42 p.m.
then justice isnt served
polyrabies 2025-05-25 11:43 p.m.
thazts all i have to say
Kezzera 2025-05-26 12:46 a.m.
there's evidence to support the bolo? you mention this now instead of providing earlier (save for the answer)?
ian 2025-05-26 05:52 a.m.@Kezzera we move to strike whatever the defense just said
ian 2025-05-26 05:52 a.m.
They werent allowed a statement only to cross the witness
ian 2025-05-26 05:53 a.m.
And there literally is no BOLO for your information
ian 2025-05-26 05:54 a.m.
New lawyer tactic: default so you dont have to submit discovery and then even though you're not allowed to, make up that there's evidence that favors your side (even though it's not true, they will still believe you!)
ian 2025-05-26 05:55 a.m.
If you want me to rebut the statement, like I should be, I will, but I'd much rather it be stricken
Kezzerathere's evidence to support the bolo? you mention this now instead of providing earlier (save for the answer)?
polyrabies 2025-05-26 06:21 a.m.
yes there was a bolo, and idk where else to mention it trial hasnt began
polyrabiesyes there was a bolo, and idk where else to mention it trial hasnt began
ian 2025-05-26 06:21 a.m.
Not your place
ian 2025-05-26 06:21 a.m.
Shut your mouth
ian 2025-05-26 06:21 a.m.
If you wanted to claim there was a BOLO, and there literally wasn't, you should've been diligent and made the deadlines to form a defense
ian 2025-05-26 06:22 a.m.
But you missed every single one
ian 2025-05-26 06:22 a.m.
Now you get to evaluate what I submitted and nothing else
ian 2025-05-26 06:22 a.m.@Kezzera again I move to strike
polyrabies 2025-05-26 06:23 a.m.
i have nothing to cross
polyrabies 2025-05-26 06:23 a.m.
and i wont be crossing
ian 2025-05-26 06:23 a.m.
There is a witness but ok
ian 2025-05-26 06:23 a.m.
You werent allowed a statement though
polyrabies 2025-05-26 06:23 a.m.
Well the justice needs to be aware of that
polyrabies 2025-05-26 06:23 a.m.
its very important
ian 2025-05-26 06:23 a.m.@Kezzera please direct the witness to be unsworn
polyrabies 2025-05-26 06:23 a.m.
for when he makes a ruling
ian 2025-05-26 06:23 a.m.
Or something
polyrabiesits very important
ian 2025-05-26 06:24 a.m.
What youre claiming is called an affirmative defense
ian 2025-05-26 06:24 a.m.
And you gave up your right to give one when you missed every deadline
ian 2025-05-26 06:25 a.m.
You're disputing liability where liability is already assumed by default. This is a hearing to determine damages
Kezzera 2025-05-26 11:02 a.m.
I would have to agree that its no longer possible to present this information now
polyrabiesyes there was a bolo, and idk where else to mention it trial hasnt began
Kezzera 2025-05-26 11:02 a.m.
Your clients are in default
Kezzera 2025-05-26 11:02 a.m.
I've made this clear
Kezzera 2025-05-26 11:03 a.m.
Several times
ianShut your mouth
Kezzera 2025-05-26 11:03 a.m.
Withdraw this comment counsellor
Kezzera 2025-05-26 11:04 a.m.
Poly, you were made aware of default, and had an opportunity to submit material etc that can be used for me to consider in the assessment
Kezzera 2025-05-26 11:05 a.m.
Which could have potentially reduced the amount and liability potentially
Kezzera 2025-05-26 11:05 a.m.
I received nothing and I cannot expect any now
Kezzera 2025-05-26 11:05 a.m.
It's beyond me why you didn't ask for any extensions in light of your schedule
Kezzera 2025-05-26 11:06 a.m.
If there was one then May 21 was the absolute last time you could've brought it up
Kezzera 2025-05-26 11:07 a.m.
Now I'm in a rather difficult position
Kezzera 2025-05-26 11:07 a.m.
If you don't wish to cross, fine
Kezzera 2025-05-26 11:08 a.m.
We'll end it here
ian 2025-05-26 12:54 p.m.@Kezzera with the hearing having concluded when could we expect a ruling
Kezzera 2025-05-26 02:11 p.m.
soon
ian 2025-05-27 01:21 p.m.@Kezzera why is OFMC not assumed to..!
ian 2025-05-27 01:21 p.m.
?
ian 2025-05-27 04:46 p.m.
also you forgot to put in deprivation of rights
ian 2025-05-27 04:47 p.m.
other than that we're satisfied
ianalso you forgot to put in deprivation of rights
Kezzera 2025-05-27 04:53 p.m.
it's included - reread
ianKezzera 2025-05-27 04:53 p.m.
you guys aren't pursuing this anymore no?
Kezzerayou guys aren't pursuing this anymore no?
ian 2025-05-27 04:54 p.m.
Yes, we are
ian 2025-05-27 04:54 p.m.
The fuss was about removing the SGO
ian 2025-05-27 04:54 p.m.
We stopped asking for injunctive relief, strictly
ian 2025-05-27 04:54 p.m.
But the non-equitable relief portion of OFMC remains (75k if i remember correctly)
ian 2025-05-27 04:55 p.m.
Just that SGO doesnt defend that they only defend the equitable portion
ian 2025-05-27 05:13 p.m.
Which is why we dismissed them
ian 2025-05-27 07:07 p.m.
Also I think for the actual amount it's low
ian 2025-05-27 07:08 p.m.
For reference over an intentional car crash we were awarded 500k
ianThe fuss was about removing the SGO
Kezzera 2025-05-27 07:54 p.m.
OHHH
Kezzera 2025-05-27 07:54 p.m.
i completely misunderstood
Kezzera 2025-05-27 07:59 p.m.
okay, this will be corrected
Kezzeraokay, this will be corrected
ian 2025-05-27 08:00 p.m.
I also dont see deprivation of rights there still
ian 2025-05-27 08:01 p.m.
and the damages are low
ianFor reference over an intentional car crash we were awarded 500k
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:01 p.m.
this may be adjusted - 500k is the statutory maximum and i would caution usually on awarding the maximum amount
ianI also dont see deprivation of rights there still
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:02 p.m.
it should be there
Kezzerathis may be adjusted - 500k is the statutory maximum and i would caution usually on awarding the maximum amount
ian 2025-05-27 08:02 p.m.
I would argue it's absolutely needed here
ian 2025-05-27 08:02 p.m.
these are three officers absolutely bullying a random outstanding citizen for no reason
ian 2025-05-27 08:02 p.m.
shooting him, battering him, throwing him in prison
ian 2025-05-27 08:02 p.m.
they know better
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:03 p.m.
we're talking about ultra's negligence yes?
Kezzerait should be there
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:03 p.m.
it is not there so i will add that - mustve gotten lost
Kezzerait is not there so i will add that - mustve gotten lost
ian 2025-05-27 08:04 p.m.
its not
Kezzerawe're talking about ultra's negligence yes?
ian 2025-05-27 08:04 p.m.
no about everything
ian 2025-05-27 08:04 p.m.
total from each defendant would be about 500k
ian 2025-05-27 08:04 p.m.
it's about the same as an intentional car crash
ian 2025-05-27 08:05 p.m.
somebody crashing into somebody is not comparable to crashing into them, shooting them, battering them, putting them in jail and humiliating them
ian 2025-05-27 08:05 p.m.
they should be upped
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:05 p.m.
i'm very lost
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:06 p.m.
i thought you were referencing the particular driver's conduct in reference to the 500k
ian 2025-05-27 08:06 p.m.
the intentional car crash is an example
ian 2025-05-27 08:06 p.m.
to show that what you're awarding from each defendant is about the same as a case of much lesser gravity
ian 2025-05-27 08:06 p.m.
im referencing every money damage you listed
ian 2025-05-27 08:06 p.m.
youll see most are like 500k
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:07 p.m.all of them are low to you?
ian 2025-05-27 08:07 p.m.
initially it all looks low to me
ian 2025-05-27 08:07 p.m.
let me give you some more in depth uh
ian 2025-05-27 08:07 p.m.
info
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:07 p.m.
if you're presenting further evidence you've ran out of time
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:08 p.m.
or any references to analogous cases
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:08 p.m.
you could've asked me during the hearing
ian 2025-05-27 08:08 p.m.
no, no
ian 2025-05-27 08:08 p.m.
i've presented all i wanted to present
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:08 p.m.
right
ian 2025-05-27 08:08 p.m.
im just using an example
ian 2025-05-27 08:08 p.m.
so
ian 2025-05-27 08:08 p.m.
here it says 500k from combatrole for battery
ian 2025-05-27 08:08 p.m.
statutory maximum is 680k
ian 2025-05-27 08:09 p.m.
that includes uh
ian 2025-05-27 08:09 p.m.
thats 3 counts
ian 2025-05-27 08:09 p.m.
torts
ianstatutory maximum is 680k
ian 2025-05-27 08:10 p.m.
690
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:10 p.m.
well battery's stat max is 230
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:10 p.m.
yes
ian 2025-05-27 08:10 p.m.
690 is statutory maximum
ian 2025-05-27 08:10 p.m.
for 3
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:10 p.m.
so 690
ian 2025-05-27 08:10 p.m.
yea
ian 2025-05-27 08:10 p.m.
i mean
ian 2025-05-27 08:10 p.m.
first count is
ian 2025-05-27 08:11 p.m.
tort
ian 2025-05-27 08:11 p.m.
the shooting
ian 2025-05-27 08:11 p.m.
that should be max of 230
ian 2025-05-27 08:11 p.m.
bc its absolutely unacceptable
ian 2025-05-27 08:11 p.m.
second is also shooting
ian 2025-05-27 08:11 p.m.
first battery is for shooting at his car, second for shooting at him
ian 2025-05-27 08:12 p.m.
both incredibly grave and so it should be the max of 460
ian 2025-05-27 08:12 p.m.
the last assault is the baton thing
ian 2025-05-27 08:12 p.m.
thats not as grave
ian 2025-05-27 08:12 p.m.
we can leave it at like half the stat maximum
ian 2025-05-27 08:12 p.m.
so 115k
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:12 p.m.
i don't know if you read the draft paper
ian 2025-05-27 08:12 p.m.
total 575
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:12 p.m.
but i've met your request in that particular case
ian 2025-05-27 08:13 p.m.
are you sure
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:13 p.m.
oh
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:13 p.m.
575
ian 2025-05-27 08:13 p.m.
it says 500k from combat for battery
ian 2025-05-27 08:13 p.m.
yes it'd be 575k
ian 2025-05-27 08:13 p.m.
slightly higher
ian 2025-05-27 08:13 p.m.
thats for the battery, moving on
ian 2025-05-27 08:13 p.m.
assault
ian 2025-05-27 08:13 p.m.
one count
ian 2025-05-27 08:13 p.m.
its when they hit him with baton
ian 2025-05-27 08:14 p.m.
this is fine as is
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:14 p.m.
well this is just preliminary
ian 2025-05-27 08:14 p.m.
yea
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:14 p.m.
im going to re-evaluate anyway but i usually do not give nearly close to the maximum
ian 2025-05-27 08:14 p.m.
100k from combat for false imprisonment is also low in my opinion, it's a third (i believe) of the stat maximum
Kezzeraim going to re-evaluate anyway but i usually do not give nearly close to the maximum
ian 2025-05-27 08:15 p.m.
this is hardly a usual scenario in my opinion
ian 2025-05-27 08:15 p.m.
if you want i can send a pleading here with specific recommendations for damages
ian100k from combat for false imprisonment is also low in my opinion, it's a third (i believe) of the stat maximum
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:15 p.m.
i won't disclose this evaluation here - see other channel
ian 2025-05-27 08:15 p.m.
unofficial
Kezzerai won't disclose this evaluation here - see other channel
ian 2025-05-27 08:15 p.m.
Ok
ianif you want i can send a pleading here with specific recommendations for damages
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:15 p.m.
no, i already have it
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:15 p.m.
unless it's vastly different
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:15 p.m.
by hundreds of thousands
ian 2025-05-27 08:15 p.m.
yes it's demands for damages but it doesnt go in depth about why each
ian 2025-05-27 08:16 p.m.
and we just ask for stat maximum and stuff every time
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:16 p.m.
yea never expect the stat maximum unless its just egregious as fuck
ian 2025-05-27 08:16 p.m.
i mean
ian 2025-05-27 08:16 p.m.
youve seen the video right
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:16 p.m.
yes i get your point
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:16 p.m.
but i have to consider other factors
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:17 p.m.
including what you've proven as to damages
ian 2025-05-27 08:17 p.m.
hm, okay
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:17 p.m.
as to the false imprisonment stuff
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:17 p.m.
i'm aware that the vacatur is not evidence i will be able to consider
ian 2025-05-27 08:17 p.m.
mhm
ian 2025-05-27 08:17 p.m.
well
ian 2025-05-27 08:18 p.m.
you cant consider what the DOJ's intention was
ian 2025-05-27 08:18 p.m.
everything else is on the table
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:18 p.m.
well it'll result in a different amount
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:18 p.m.
for FI
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:18 p.m.
most likely
ian 2025-05-27 08:18 p.m.
okay
ian 2025-05-27 08:19 p.m.
just as a guide so i dont have to submit everything
ian 2025-05-27 08:19 p.m.
id ask you to go as close as the stat max allows unless its a more minor aspect of what happened (i.e. taser, batons, tresspass to chattels). things like shooting at his car should be as close to the stat max as possible
ian 2025-05-27 08:19 p.m.
that's what i'd request
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:20 p.m.
okay, i will consider that thank you
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:20 p.m.
check the other channel for new proposed amount
ian 2025-05-27 08:20 p.m.
Ok
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:21 p.m.
as to the compensation such as medical expense
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:21 p.m.
i really cannot meet that at all
ian 2025-05-27 08:21 p.m.
yeah i saw
ian 2025-05-27 08:21 p.m.
i wont ask you to
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:21 p.m.
you've given me almost nothing - only the clip - to work off of and i can attach a fair amount to the injury sustained
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:21 p.m.
okay, thanks
ian 2025-05-27 08:22 p.m.
the reimbursement of the car (almost nothing) and the pain and suffering is all there is for compensatory
ian 2025-05-27 08:22 p.m.
see witness 1's testimony for both
ian 2025-05-27 08:22 p.m.
other than that punitive is gonna be a mess bc its a shitton of torts lol
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:22 p.m.
yes this will be referred to
ian 2025-05-27 08:22 p.m.
but i trust you can make it out properly
Kezzerayes this will be referred to
ian 2025-05-27 08:22 p.m.
ianbut i trust you can make it out properly
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:23 p.m.
sure - this would likely be the final amount
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:23 p.m.
and from there you can decide what to do with it
ian 2025-05-27 08:23 p.m.
mhnnmn
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:23 p.m.
okay, thanks check back in a bit
ian 2025-05-27 08:26 p.m.@Kezzera oh by the way for attys fees
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:26 p.m.
you would need to send me the bill
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:26 p.m.
as of current
ian 2025-05-27 08:26 p.m.
does it have to be like pdf
ian 2025-05-27 08:27 p.m.
or can i just tell you what it is
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:27 p.m.
yes, i would need physical proof
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:27 p.m.
otherwise it's bound to be challenged
ian 2025-05-27 08:27 p.m.
i mean we dont really do that at my firm at the moment
ian 2025-05-27 08:27 p.m.
im reworking our finances
ian 2025-05-27 08:27 p.m.
finance guy left
ian 2025-05-27 08:27 p.m.
he is in minnesotta i think
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:27 p.m.
you don't bill people or you don't provide pdf copies?
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:27 p.m.
right
ian 2025-05-27 08:27 p.m.
no pdf copies
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:28 p.m.
how do you normally display it
ian 2025-05-27 08:28 p.m.
theres an engagement agreement?
ian 2025-05-27 08:28 p.m.
it specifies
ian 2025-05-27 08:28 p.m.
has a clause for payment
ian 2025-05-27 08:28 p.m.
i can send that and tell you how we applied it
ian 2025-05-27 08:28 p.m.
you can swear me in if youd like
ian 2025-05-27 08:28 p.m.
honestly attys fees is not a lot tho
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:28 p.m.
you need to work out the numbers otherwise im changing my decision
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:28 p.m.
that's honestly a bad thing to disclose, appreciate the honesty
ian 2025-05-27 08:28 p.m.
ill see what i can get you
Kezzerathat's honestly a bad thing to disclose, appreciate the honesty
ian 2025-05-27 08:29 p.m.
yea
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:29 p.m.
ok
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:29 p.m.
get that worked out
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:30 p.m.
im not evaluating any interest either
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:30 p.m.
so don't even bother asking
Kezzeraim not evaluating any interest either
ian 2025-05-27 08:41 p.m.
whats this mean
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:41 p.m.
dont worry about it
ian 2025-05-27 08:41 p.m.
total attys fees should be $24,000.00
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:41 p.m.
:)
ian 2025-05-27 08:41 p.m.
i made the math
ian 2025-05-27 08:41 p.m.
its cheap af
iantotal attys fees should be $24,000.00
ian 2025-05-27 08:45 p.m.
is this cheap @Kezzera
ian 2025-05-27 08:45 p.m.
like in ur opinion
ian 2025-05-27 08:45 p.m.
we also take a cut from court/settlement awardments
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:46 p.m.
24k is not cheap in my opinion
ianwe also take a cut from court/settlement awardments
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:47 p.m.
how much?
ian 2025-05-27 08:47 p.m.
30%
Kezzera24k is not cheap in my opinion
ian 2025-05-27 08:47 p.m.
isnt it
ian 2025-05-27 08:47 p.m.
i have 100k ingame rn and ive never played clark in my life
ian 2025-05-27 08:47 p.m.
i considered 40k was equal to about 1k of irl money(edited)
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:47 p.m.
there's no true comparison between the two so i cant speak on that
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:47 p.m.
but 24k is a hell of a lot of cash
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:48 p.m.
buys you a house somewhere
ian 2025-05-27 08:48 p.m.
really
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:48 p.m.
yes
ian 2025-05-27 08:48 p.m.
so like im rich and ive never even played the game
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:48 p.m.
there's certainly more around
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:48 p.m.
with like millions
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:48 p.m.
has the client paid for the service?
ian 2025-05-27 08:48 p.m.
no its the end of the month in
ian 2025-05-27 08:49 p.m.
3 days
ian 2025-05-27 08:49 p.m.
or 4 depending on whether may has 31 or 30 days
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:49 p.m.
hell of a risk
ian 2025-05-27 08:49 p.m.
whats risky
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:49 p.m.
people can just run away and you'll lose out
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:49 p.m.
happened sometime
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:50 p.m.
anyhow
ian30%
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:50 p.m.
rightok
Kezzerapeople can just run away and you'll lose out
ian 2025-05-27 08:53 p.m.
oh right
ian 2025-05-27 08:53 p.m.
yea its happened
ian 2025-05-27 08:54 p.m.
most people at my firm dont care about the money tho to my knowledge
ian 2025-05-27 08:54 p.m.
i certainly dont
ian 2025-05-27 08:54 p.m.
it feels good winning it and whatnot but we dont actually have a use for it
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:56 p.m.
use it on a house or something idk
ian30%
Kezzera 2025-05-27 08:58 p.m.
from total or a particular portion, like pain and suffering?
Kezzera 2025-05-27 09:04 p.m.
so i'm now quite inclined against the awarding of attorneys fees- even accounting for risk of non-recovery, you would realistically end up with far more than what your cost is
Kezzera 2025-05-27 09:04 p.m.@ian
ian 2025-05-27 09:05 p.m.
we'll waive attys fees your honor
Kezzera 2025-05-27 09:05 p.m.
okay, thanks
ian 2025-05-27 09:22 p.m.@Kezzera yes
Kezzera 2025-05-27 09:23 p.m.
you're happy with this then?
ian 2025-05-27 09:23 p.m.
Did you put in deprivation of rights tho
Kezzera 2025-05-27 09:23 p.m.
yea
ian 2025-05-27 09:23 p.m.
Then yes I love
Kezzera 2025-05-27 09:23 p.m.
okay
Kezzera 2025-05-27 10:15 p.m.
it is now entered and filed - see the website
Kezzera 2025-05-27 10:15 p.m.@polyrabies @ian
Kezzerait is now entered and filed - see the website
ian 2025-05-28 05:57 a.m.
By when must he post
ian 2025-05-28 05:57 a.m.
Pay
ian 2025-05-28 12:53 p.m.@Kezzera by when must they pay
ian 2025-05-28 12:53 p.m.@andris @Combatrole
Kezzera 2025-05-28 01:58 p.m.
well he should attempt to start paying today, ideally
Kezzera 2025-05-28 01:58 p.m.
defendants should have been made aware
ian 2025-05-28 03:16 p.m.@Kezzera can you authorize me to speak to ultra and combat directly, strictly about scheduling
ian 2025-05-28 03:16 p.m.
bc polyrabies has been ignoring me in dms for ages
ian 2025-05-28 03:16 p.m.
like since the case began
ian 2025-05-28 04:47 p.m.@Kezzera ?
ianlike since the case began
Kezzera 2025-05-28 05:22 p.m.
okay, sure
Kezzera 2025-05-29 01:54 p.m.
please update me on this so i know what to do next
ian 2025-05-29 02:32 p.m.@Kezzera no response from defendants
ian 2025-05-29 02:32 p.m.
or their counsel
ian 2025-05-29 02:32 p.m.
fox could not be contacted
Kezzera 2025-05-29 02:42 p.m.
okay, it is available to you to request this court for a firm deadline on satisfying the judgment
Kezzeraokay, it is available to you to request this court for a firm deadline on satisfying the judgment
ian 2025-05-29 05:02 p.m.
yes sure
ian 2025-05-29 05:02 p.m.
could they be given 48 hours
ian 2025-05-29 05:02 p.m.
unless they ask an extension
Kezzera 2025-05-29 05:04 p.m.
would 48 hours to get in contact with us be what you want, or 48 hours to pay?
Kezzera 2025-05-29 05:04 p.m.
it's a lot of money so 2 days may seem extremely short to produce the money say, in the case they dont have that money ready after all
Kezzera 2025-05-29 05:04 p.m.@ian
Kezzerawould 48 hours to get in contact with us be what you want, or 48 hours to pay?
ian 2025-05-29 05:05 p.m.
what Im proposing is they pay within 48 hours
ian 2025-05-29 05:05 p.m.
if they don't have the money already then at any time before the deadline they can say so and it'll be extended
ian 2025-05-29 05:05 p.m.
but since they're literally ignoring me for ages i think it's appropriate
ian 2025-05-29 05:05 p.m.
and no pay within those 48 hours would be indefinite contempt obvs
Kezzera 2025-05-29 05:06 p.m.
alright, sure
Kezzera 2025-05-29 05:06 p.m.
ill enter an order today
Kezzeraill enter an order today
ian 2025-05-29 05:12 p.m.
you'll perma jail them for civil contempt if they don't make the deadline then?
Kezzera 2025-05-29 05:14 p.m.
i really hope not to
Kezzera 2025-05-29 05:14 p.m.
since i have never really went to that length
Kezzera 2025-05-29 05:14 p.m.
but if i have to then yes
ian 2025-05-29 05:14 p.m.
we could make the deadline 72 hours if you want
ian 2025-05-29 05:14 p.m.
there's no rush
ian 2025-05-29 05:16 p.m.
but it's very obvious to me they won't pay
Kezzera 2025-05-29 05:19 p.m.
i'm far more comfortable with 72 hours
ian 2025-05-29 05:19 p.m.
sure
Kezzera 2025-05-29 05:20 p.m.
okay, expect today
Kezzera 2025-05-30 01:37 a.m.
Order entered @ian https://courts.clarkcounty.site/file-view?id=8ca1de07-9b95-4a98-8b88-6e6aa5550154&extension=pdf
Kezzerai'm far more comfortable with 72 hours
polyrabies 2025-05-30 03:21 a.m.
We are reqyestubg
polyrabies 2025-05-30 03:21 a.m.
requesting
polyrabies 2025-05-30 03:21 a.m.
until june 30th none of my clients have enough money to pay it
polyrabies 2025-05-30 03:21 a.m.
and are both busy
polyrabies 2025-05-30 03:23 a.m.
infact, we are requesting until july 30th
polyrabiesuntil june 30th none of my clients have enough money to pay it
ian 2025-05-30 09:08 a.m.@Kezzera I think you should be wary of granting this
ian 2025-05-30 09:09 a.m.
They've been ignoring their duty to pay until now
polyrabies 2025-05-30 09:09 a.m.
No
polyrabies 2025-05-30 09:09 a.m.
theres no money
polyrabies 2025-05-30 09:09 a.m.
they dont have the money to pay
ian 2025-05-30 09:09 a.m.
Im getting to that
ian 2025-05-30 09:10 a.m.
If they don't have money, they could be given 1-2 weeks at the most to get the money. However a full month seems uncalled for and extraordinary considering they've shown zero interest in these proceedings and neglected their duty to pay
ian 2025-05-30 09:10 a.m.
I think its been 3 days since the judgment was entered and they wouldnt pay
polyrabiesinfact, we are requesting until july 30th
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:03 p.m.
JULY?
polyrabiesthey dont have the money to pay
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:04 p.m.
Then back this up
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:04 p.m.
I need something to work with
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:04 p.m.
This whole time I've gotten absolutely nothing from the Defendants
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:04 p.m.
0
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:08 p.m.
I'm going to consider entering an order on interrogatories if I have to
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:09 p.m.
in fact, no, I'm going to enter that since this is just silly
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:09 p.m.
I want to know exactly how much they have
ian 2025-05-30 12:09 p.m.
whats going on
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:27 p.m.@ian I will enter an order today allowing you to ask questions to the Defendants to locate their assets and how much cash they have on hand, all under oath
ian 2025-05-30 12:28 p.m.
oh great
ian 2025-05-30 12:28 p.m.
here or privately
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:28 p.m.
It will be on the website
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:28 p.m.
and on paper
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:28 p.m.
You will use that and show it to Defendants if they require evidence
ian 2025-05-30 12:29 p.m.
and if they dont answer what do we do
ian 2025-05-30 12:29 p.m.
they're still ghosting me same for defense counsel
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:33 p.m.
well counsel answered here, so
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:34 p.m.
and if they don't then it's further action
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:34 p.m.
i've set a deadline
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:34 p.m.
they now came back with proposals all for july 30th
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:35 p.m.
so if they want july 30th, i need to know what's going on with them
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:35 p.m.
otherwise i have to consider harsher options
ian 2025-05-30 12:35 p.m.
july 30th is incredible
ian 2025-05-30 12:35 p.m.
they havent even been cooperating with the court
ian 2025-05-30 12:35 p.m.
they should be given two weeks tops if they really dont have the money
ian 2025-05-30 12:36 p.m.
unless they're actually like dirt poor in which case one month is the most
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:36 p.m.
let's be real no one's going to want to do 16 hours of grind with cargo and logging for two weeks straight
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:36 p.m.
unless they want to, fine
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:36 p.m.
but i'm conscious of people having lives
ian 2025-05-30 12:36 p.m.
i reached out to them in advance before filing this suit
ian 2025-05-30 12:37 p.m.
1-2 weeks prior i believe
ian 2025-05-30 12:37 p.m.
seeking a settlement
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:37 p.m.
you now tell me this?
ian 2025-05-30 12:37 p.m.
they ignored me
Kezzerayou now tell me this?
ian 2025-05-30 12:37 p.m.
well yeah they ignored me
ian 2025-05-30 12:37 p.m.
im just saying it to put in perspective how they should've known this was going to happen
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:37 p.m.
well it's helpful to know
ian 2025-05-30 12:37 p.m.
if they didnt want to grind they should've taken the smart choice
ian 2025-05-30 12:37 p.m.
and settled
ian 2025-05-30 12:37 p.m.
they didnt even answer
ian 2025-05-30 12:38 p.m.
default was entered and they were notified if they still havent started grinding thats on them
Kezzerawell it's helpful to know
ian 2025-05-30 12:38 p.m.
i didnt think to tell you because i didnt think it was really relevant up till now
ian 2025-05-30 12:38 p.m.
most people ask for settlements before suing anyway
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:38 p.m.
fair, look
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:38 p.m.
we'll start on questions
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:38 p.m.
if it doesn't produce any answers then we have next steps to consider
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:39 p.m.
it's also available to defendants to consider other legal actions
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:39 p.m.
which i will not name since it should be known by any attorney
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:39 p.m.
in which they can address the judgment
ian 2025-05-30 12:39 p.m.
im not too worried
ian 2025-05-30 12:39 p.m.
poly has said two sentences since this case started
ian 2025-05-30 12:46 p.m.@Kezzera all good here
Kezzera 2025-05-30 12:50 p.m.
ok
polyrabies 2025-05-30 06:46 p.m.
All I have to say is
polyrabies 2025-05-30 06:46 p.m.
My clients don’t have the money
polyrabies 2025-05-30 06:46 p.m.
To pay
polyrabies 2025-05-30 06:47 p.m.
And it will take them a month to acquire it
polyrabies 2025-05-30 06:47 p.m.
So this is our notice to the court that my clients cannot pay until July 30th
polyrabiesSo this is our notice to the court that my clients cannot pay until July 30th
ian 2025-05-30 06:52 p.m.
not how it works
ian 2025-05-30 06:52 p.m.
at all
ian 2025-05-30 06:52 p.m.
best attorney in clark
polyrabiesSo this is our notice to the court that my clients cannot pay until July 30th
Kezzera 2025-05-30 07:04 p.m.
I cannot take your word for it
Kezzera 2025-05-30 07:44 p.m.@ian https://courts.clarkcounty.site/file-view?id=7ef09022-52ab-49c3-9ec2-7646bea6e06f&extension=pdf
Kezzera 2025-05-30 07:44 p.m.
Order entered
Kezzera 2025-05-30 07:44 p.m.@polyrabies cc
ian 2025-05-31 12:28 p.m.@Kezzera will I ask the questions during a hearing
ian 2025-05-31 12:28 p.m.
or in bulk
Kezzera 2025-05-31 03:00 p.m.
you send in written questions...
Kezzerayou send in written questions...
ian 2025-05-31 03:02 p.m.
So in bulk
ian 2025-05-31 03:02 p.m.
Not like a deposition
Kezzera 2025-05-31 03:02 p.m.
yes
ian 2025-05-31 03:19 p.m.@Kezzera would this be okay with you judge
ian 2025-05-31 03:19 p.m.1
1. How much money are you personally in possession of?
2. What property are you in possession of?
3. What is the gross value of that combined property?
4. Have you entered into an agreement, such as with a bank, where that entity escrows any property or money belonging to you?
5. What, or how much, property or money belonging to you is escrowed by a separate entity?
6. If applicable, what is the gross value of that escrowed property?
7. Have you entered into any other type of agreement with any entity whatsoever where you transfer possession of money or property to that entity and that money or property can later be retrieved by any mean—such as investing in a company, and then it being possible to sell its shares?
8. What, or how much, property or money that is possible to be retrieved in this way do you have knowledge about?
9. If applicable, what is the gross value of that property that is possible to be retrieved?
2. What property are you in possession of?
3. What is the gross value of that combined property?
4. Have you entered into an agreement, such as with a bank, where that entity escrows any property or money belonging to you?
5. What, or how much, property or money belonging to you is escrowed by a separate entity?
6. If applicable, what is the gross value of that escrowed property?
7. Have you entered into any other type of agreement with any entity whatsoever where you transfer possession of money or property to that entity and that money or property can later be retrieved by any mean—such as investing in a company, and then it being possible to sell its shares?
8. What, or how much, property or money that is possible to be retrieved in this way do you have knowledge about?
9. If applicable, what is the gross value of that property that is possible to be retrieved?
1ian 2025-05-31 07:41 p.m.@Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-02 02:33 p.m.@ian I reacted
Kezzera 2025-06-02 02:34 p.m.
You should tag them so they know what's up
KezzeraYou should tag them so they know what's up
ian 2025-06-02 02:35 p.m.
Can you tag them
ian 2025-06-02 02:35 p.m.
Im not in a position to order them to do something as opposing counsel
ian 2025-06-02 02:35 p.m.
you should tell them to answer to those questions
Kezzera 2025-06-02 02:37 p.m.
Well they should know but ok
Kezzera 2025-06-02 02:37 p.m.
I don't mind
KezzeraWell they should know but ok
ian 2025-06-02 02:37 p.m.
their lawyer is absent
Kezzera 2025-06-02 02:37 p.m.
Completely?
ian 2025-06-02 02:37 p.m.
like absent parents
Kezzera 2025-06-02 02:37 p.m.@polyrabies
KezzeraCompletely?
ian 2025-06-02 02:37 p.m.
to me it appears so
ian 2025-06-02 02:37 p.m.
I mean he's been ghosting me and failed to act in the evidentiary hearing
Kezzera 2025-06-02 02:38 p.m.@polyrabies would you respond by tomorrow 5pm eastern, need to know you're here still
ian1. How much money are you personally in possession of? 2. What property are you in possession of? 3. What is the gross value of that combined property? 4. Have you entered into an ...
Kezzera 2025-06-02 02:38 p.m.@Combatrole @andris @foxfragment
Kezzera 2025-06-02 02:41 p.m.
A dm to the plaintiff's attorney in bullets or a message here in this channel, individually of each defendant
Kezzera 2025-06-02 02:42 p.m.
And either written on paper or provided in discord messages will be fine(edited)
Kezzera 2025-06-02 02:42 p.m.
If you want to attach pictures here but can't ask for permission by tagging me directly
ian 2025-06-02 02:43 p.m.@Kezzera it has to be under oath, too
ian 2025-06-02 02:43 p.m.
they have to sign under penalty of perjury
Kezzera 2025-06-02 02:43 p.m.
yes, thank you
Kezzera 2025-06-02 02:43 p.m.
Under oath
Kezzera 2025-06-02 02:44 p.m.
this gives me an idea..
ian 2025-06-02 02:44 p.m.
Kezzerathis gives me an idea..
ian 2025-06-02 02:46 p.m.
Also
ian 2025-06-02 02:46 p.m.
This shouldnt apply to foxfragment
ian 2025-06-02 02:46 p.m.
Can you order he pay
ian 2025-06-02 02:46 p.m.
Because he is not represented by polyrabies and hasnt himself said he needs time to pay
ian 2025-06-02 02:46 p.m.
so reasonably since he is in default you should just order he pay now
ian 2025-06-02 02:46 p.m.
and Ill let you know when he fails to
ian 2025-06-02 02:46 p.m.
so you can sanction him however you want
ian 2025-06-02 02:47 p.m.
until he does (civil contempt would be best)
polyrabies 2025-06-03 08:16 a.m.
I am here
polyrabies 2025-06-03 08:35 a.m.
Hey motion to withdraw as counsel
polyrabies 2025-06-03 08:35 a.m.
client is switching attorneys
polyrabiesHey motion to withdraw as counsel
ian 2025-06-03 12:49 p.m.
I mean the case is already over
ian 2025-06-03 12:49 p.m.
Oh actually interrogatories
ian 2025-06-03 12:50 p.m.
Who's the new attorney?
polyrabiesclient is switching attorneys
Kezzera 2025-06-03 03:48 p.m.
ok, is it for both or only one of them?
Kezzera 2025-06-03 04:22 p.m.
i'll need to know so i know what to exactly do with you
ianCan you order he pay
ian 2025-06-03 04:23 p.m.@Kezzera
ian 2025-06-03 04:23 p.m.
Separately to the other defendants
Kezzeraok, is it for both or only one of them?
polyrabies 2025-06-03 07:30 p.m.
Both.
polyrabiesBoth.
Kezzera 2025-06-03 08:04 p.m.
okay
Kezzera 2025-06-03 08:04 p.m.
i'll allow you to withdraw
ian 2025-06-03 08:05 p.m.
Can you direct the defendants to answer the interrogatories, it would seem they're avoiding it
Kezzera 2025-06-03 08:14 p.m.@polyrabies you are now withdrawn from this matter - thank you
Kezzera 2025-06-03 08:15 p.m.@isaac you have been added - you appear for defendant combatrole, yes?
Kezzera
isaac 2025-06-03 08:47 p.m.
Hello Your Honor I am here appearing in regards to Defendant Combatrole and UltraInstinctShxggy
isaac 2025-06-03 08:48 p.m.
We intend on filing a motion to set aside default soon, how long will you give us to submit
ian 2025-06-03 08:48 p.m.
Your honor it's kind of late for that
isaac 2025-06-03 08:49 p.m.
And that is the reason, we are motioning to set aside default for excusable neglect in terms of the previous attorney my client was represented by
ian 2025-06-03 08:50 p.m.
I think that's merely statutory law from other states and isn't found in our precedents or statutes/rules
ian 2025-06-03 08:50 p.m.
If you'd want to submit that we'll submit a response in opposition duly
ian 2025-06-03 08:50 p.m.
However I do ask the interrogatories not be excused because there isn't a reason for that and we should continue with them
ianI think that's merely statutory law from other states and isn't found in our precedents or statutes/rules
isaac 2025-06-03 08:56 p.m.
"The court may set aside a default, and if a final judgment consequent thereon has been entered, the court may set it aside in accordance with rule 1.540(b)." See Mayfl. R. Civ. P. 37(d)
isaac 2025-06-03 08:56 p.m.
Rule 1.540(b) provides relief from judgements for reasons including mistake, inadvertence, or excusable neglect.
ian 2025-06-03 09:22 p.m.
Given how long it's been since default was granted the court should be wary of granting your request
ian 2025-06-03 09:23 p.m.
You'd not only be setting aside default but its evidentiary hearing, and interrogatories as well
ian 2025-06-03 09:23 p.m.
Arguably the standard of review should be higher
isaacHello Your Honor I am here appearing in regards to Defendant Combatrole and UltraInstinctShxggy
Kezzera 2025-06-03 10:34 p.m.
i need one for ultra then, you only have one for combatrole
Kezzera 2025-06-03 10:35 p.m.
this will not prevent interrogatories from continuing - these should be answered in a timely manner
Kezzerai need one for ultra then, you only have one for combatrole
isaac 2025-06-03 10:41 p.m.
Ok do you want a written NOA for that as well
Kezzera 2025-06-03 10:42 p.m.
yes
isaac 2025-06-03 10:44 p.m.
Ok filed
isaacOk filed
Kezzera 2025-06-04 08:01 p.m.
these are processed, go forth
Kezzera 2025-06-04 08:02 p.m.
those questions need to be answered
ian 2025-06-04 08:02 p.m.@Kezzera can you also start seeing about fox's payment
ian 2025-06-04 08:03 p.m.
an order to pay or say something to the court, instead, for example
ian 2025-06-04 08:03 p.m.
or civil contempt
Kezzera 2025-06-04 08:03 p.m.
if fox fails to answer anything, then we'll consider that option
Kezzera 2025-06-04 08:04 p.m.
i will now direct that these questions be answered by June 6, 2025 11:59pm E.T.
Kezzera 2025-06-04 08:04 p.m.@isaac @ian
Kezzeraif fox fails to answer anything, then we'll consider that option
ian 2025-06-04 08:04 p.m.
but the interrogatories are being given as a courtesy to mr combat and ultra
ian 2025-06-04 08:04 p.m.
because their attorney has said they cant pay
ian 2025-06-04 08:04 p.m.
fox hasn't done so
Kezzera 2025-06-04 08:04 p.m.
oh did i not extend it to fox
Kezzera 2025-06-04 08:05 p.m.
ah shite
ian 2025-06-04 08:05 p.m.
i'm not sure
ian 2025-06-04 08:05 p.m.
but either way he doesnt need interrogatories
ian 2025-06-04 08:05 p.m.
he didnt ask for them
Kezzera 2025-06-04 08:05 p.m.
okay, you're right
ian 2025-06-04 08:05 p.m.
right
Kezzera 2025-06-04 08:05 p.m.
i'll enter orders by june 6, do it in one package
Kezzera 2025-06-04 08:05 p.m.
the entries are getting a bit confusing so
ian 2025-06-04 08:06 p.m.
ok
isaac 2025-06-04 08:22 p.m.
Ok
isaac 2025-06-04 08:22 p.m.
How long do we have to file the motion to set aside default @Kezzera
ian 2025-06-04 08:23 p.m.@Kezzera please 24 hrs
isaac 2025-06-04 08:23 p.m.
? We'd like some more time
ian 2025-06-04 08:23 p.m.
you said you wanted to do this 24 hours ago
isaac 2025-06-04 08:23 p.m.
No?
ian 2025-06-04 08:23 p.m.
so in total you got 48 hours
ian 2025-06-04 08:23 p.m.
plus some more time
isaac 2025-06-04 08:23 p.m.
I'm not sure where your coming from, I never mentioned a time for when I want to submit it.
isaac 2025-06-04 08:23 p.m.
I simply asked the judge how long we have
ian 2025-06-04 08:23 p.m.
No but you mentioned you wanted to submit the motion
ian 2025-06-04 08:24 p.m.
and you did that 24 hours ago
isaac 2025-06-04 08:24 p.m.
Proving excusable neglect is not an easy task
ian 2025-06-04 08:24 p.m.
So
ian 2025-06-04 08:24 p.m.
With 24 more hours
ian 2025-06-04 08:24 p.m.
that's a total of 48 hours
ian 2025-06-04 08:24 p.m.
which is very reasonable for a simple motion, no?
isaac 2025-06-04 08:24 p.m.
I mentioned my intent to file the motion
isaacProving excusable neglect is not an easy task
ian 2025-06-04 08:24 p.m.
Will it take you longer
ian 2025-06-04 08:24 p.m.
Just because it's difficult
ian 2025-06-04 08:24 p.m.
So much so you need an extension from the 48 hours?
isaac 2025-06-04 08:25 p.m.
Where was 48 hours decided
ian 2025-06-04 08:25 p.m.
Never
ian 2025-06-04 08:25 p.m.
Im saying 48 hours is reasonable
isaac 2025-06-04 08:25 p.m.
Ok great
ian 2025-06-04 08:25 p.m.
That's the standard you'd get for motions
ian 2025-06-04 08:25 p.m.
It's what people get for responses
isaac 2025-06-04 08:25 p.m.
I will await Alberts response for my deadline
ian 2025-06-04 08:25 p.m.
If not 48 hours, how much would you say is reasonable
ian 2025-06-04 08:25 p.m.
For a simple motion
isaac 2025-06-04 08:26 p.m.
I am new counsel
isaac 2025-06-04 08:26 p.m.
I do not know what Poly did
isaac 2025-06-04 08:26 p.m.
I am researching it
ian 2025-06-04 08:28 p.m.
In other words you're not sure as to whether his conduct meant excusable neglect
ian 2025-06-04 08:28 p.m.
In which case you should not be asking for time at all
isaac 2025-06-04 08:28 p.m.
Let me rephrase, I am sure he did excusable neglect
ian 2025-06-04 08:28 p.m.
So why do you need an extension articulating that?
ian 2025-06-04 08:28 p.m.
If you're sure
isaac 2025-06-04 08:28 p.m.
To prove it?
ian 2025-06-04 08:29 p.m.
Are you suggesting you need time for facts to come to light to be able to prove it
ian 2025-06-04 08:29 p.m.
Or do you mean you will need a lot of time to actually write the complaint
isaac 2025-06-04 08:29 p.m.
?
isaac 2025-06-04 08:29 p.m.
I need to take my facts and put them on a sheet of paper
ian 2025-06-04 08:29 p.m.
right, writing a motion
ian 2025-06-04 08:29 p.m.
the standard for that is 48 hours
ian 2025-06-04 08:30 p.m.
What I'm saying is you're not showing any cause as to why the standard should be stretched
ianthe standard for that is 48 hours
isaac 2025-06-04 08:31 p.m.
Can you cite me the rule which states the standard time for filing a motion is 48 hours
ian 2025-06-04 08:31 p.m.
Like I said that's just how the rules are structured
isaac 2025-06-04 08:31 p.m.
?
isaac 2025-06-04 08:31 p.m.
Can you cite the rule
ian 2025-06-04 08:31 p.m.
Responses are allowed 48 hours after a motion is filed
ian 2025-06-04 08:31 p.m.
sure
isaac 2025-06-04 08:32 p.m.
Great!
ianResponses are allowed 48 hours after a motion is filed
ian 2025-06-04 08:32 p.m.
typically in pre trial or such
ian 2025-06-04 08:43 p.m.@isaac I cant find it now
isaac 2025-06-04 08:43 p.m.
I believe that is because it never existed
ianthe standard for that is 48 hours
Kezzera 2025-06-04 11:06 p.m.
this is for pre-trial
Kezzera 2025-06-04 11:06 p.m.
we're not there anymore
isaacHow long do we have to file the motion to set aside default @Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-04 11:06 p.m.
how much time do you need..?
Kezzerathis is for pre-trial
ian 2025-06-04 11:07 p.m.
I believe generally parties are given 48 hours for motions
Kezzera 2025-06-04 11:07 p.m.
you still have interrogatories to complete, so
ian 2025-06-04 11:07 p.m.
Either way I'd argue more than that isn't needed
ian 2025-06-04 11:07 p.m.
Unless he actually has a reason
ianI believe generally parties are given 48 hours for motions
Kezzera 2025-06-04 11:07 p.m.
we don't have anything post-decision from what i recall
Kezzera 2025-06-04 11:07 p.m.
so it's kind of up to us what a reasonable amount of time would be
Kezzera 2025-06-04 11:08 p.m.
here's what might help then:
ian 2025-06-04 11:08 p.m.
I'll leave it up to you, my recommendation is on the record
isaac 2025-06-04 11:09 p.m.
Hello Your Honor
isaac 2025-06-04 11:10 p.m.
I do not intend to file a motion to set aside the default, instead, I plan on filing a motion to partially vacate the judgement pursuant to rule 39(b)(4)
isaac 2025-06-04 11:10 p.m.
I will file it tomorrow
ian 2025-06-04 11:13 p.m.
You're going to argue the judgment is void..?
isaac 2025-06-04 11:13 p.m.
YEs
isaac 2025-06-04 11:13 p.m.
It will be submittd tomorrow
isaac 2025-06-04 11:13 p.m.
Is that alright @Kezzera Sir
ian 2025-06-04 11:13 p.m.
Unfortunately you can't
ian 2025-06-04 11:14 p.m.
You're barred from making claims relating to rule 39 as more than five days have passed since the judgment
isaac 2025-06-04 11:14 p.m.
Mhm
isaac 2025-06-04 11:14 p.m.
And due to the nature of the judgment being void
ian 2025-06-04 11:14 p.m.
See R. Civ. P. 39, again
isaac 2025-06-04 11:14 p.m.
I ask the court to allow more time
isaac 2025-06-04 11:14 p.m.
voidness is a fundamental defect(edited)
ian 2025-06-04 11:14 p.m.
I object
ian 2025-06-04 11:14 p.m.
Our rules don't allow for that
ian 2025-06-04 11:14 p.m.
You don't present reasonable cause
isaac 2025-06-04 11:14 p.m.
I am asking the judge to allow it
ian 2025-06-04 11:15 p.m.
You don't present reasonable cause for the judge to grant you leave
isaacAnd due to the nature of the judgment being void
ian 2025-06-04 11:15 p.m.
What does this mean
isaac 2025-06-04 11:16 p.m.
The basis of the motion is to correct erroneous judgement amounts that exceeds statutory limits and was entered without proper consideration of damages caps
ian 2025-06-04 11:16 p.m.
Okay but that's not a cause
ian 2025-06-04 11:16 p.m.
That's just the motion
isaac 2025-06-04 11:16 p.m.
This is not about 'reasoanble cause'
isaac 2025-06-04 11:16 p.m.
this is relief from an improper judgement
ian 2025-06-04 11:16 p.m.
But the motion can't be filed if it's been more than five days
isaac 2025-06-04 11:16 p.m.
pursuant to rule 39
isaacthis is relief from an improper judgement
ian 2025-06-04 11:16 p.m.
Yes, which you had 5 days to file at most and didn't
ian 2025-06-04 11:16 p.m.
Meaning you're barred from it now
isaac 2025-06-04 11:16 p.m.
I was made aware 2 days ago
ian 2025-06-04 11:16 p.m.
Unless you have a reason to be granted an extension
isaacI was made aware 2 days ago
ian 2025-06-04 11:17 p.m.
Doesn't matter for the purposes of rule 39
isaac 2025-06-04 11:17 p.m.
the rule also provides that the court may relieve a party from judgment
isaac 2025-06-04 11:17 p.m.
for other reasons
isaac 2025-06-04 11:17 p.m.
such as the judgement being void or for fraud upon the court
ian 2025-06-04 11:18 p.m.
Yes. It does. But a motion to compel that relief should come as late as five days after the judgment
ian 2025-06-04 11:18 p.m.
It's been more than five days and that motion is barred
isaac 2025-06-04 11:18 p.m.
the rule does not limit the courts inherent power
isaac 2025-06-04 11:18 p.m.
to grant relief
ian 2025-06-04 11:18 p.m.
No, it limits yours to ask for it
ian 2025-06-04 11:19 p.m.
You're barred from making a motion under rule 39 it's really that simple
isaac 2025-06-04 11:19 p.m.
again it does not bar the courts authority to grant relief on grounds like the judgement being void
ian 2025-06-04 11:19 p.m.
I never said it bars the court from anything
isaac 2025-06-04 11:19 p.m.
So why will the court not consider it
ian 2025-06-04 11:19 p.m.
I said it bars you, the defendant, from MOVING IT
isaac 2025-06-04 11:19 p.m.
the court is allowed to
isaacSo why will the court not consider it
ian 2025-06-04 11:19 p.m.
because you can't ask it to
ian 2025-06-04 11:19 p.m.
You're barred from asking it to
ian 2025-06-04 11:20 p.m.
And by consequence, the court should not consider such a request, in writing or not
isaac 2025-06-04 11:21 p.m.
i was only retained as counsel for the defendants two days ago
ian 2025-06-04 11:21 p.m.
I'm going to sleep now @Kezzera please allow me time to respond before ruling if defense counsel claims anything else
isaac 2025-06-04 11:21 p.m.
i was not able to file any motion within the five-day period following the entry of judgement
isaac 2025-06-04 11:21 p.m.
i respectfully ask that this constitutes good cause to consider the motion despite the time limit
Kezzera 2025-06-04 11:28 p.m.@isaac @ian
We'll set a motion for set aside or the vacate to be due before June 6, 2025 11:59pm E.T.
If Defendants need more time, motion to extend time can be considered.
Interoggatories still need to be answered by June 6, 2025 11:59pm E.T.
We'll set a motion for set aside or the vacate to be due before June 6, 2025 11:59pm E.T.
If Defendants need more time, motion to extend time can be considered.
Interoggatories still need to be answered by June 6, 2025 11:59pm E.T.
ian 2025-06-04 11:29 p.m.
Thanks
isaac 2025-06-04 11:29 p.m.1
Great thanks it will be submitted tomrorow
1Kezzera 2025-06-04 11:29 p.m.
please stop with the back and forths now
ian 2025-06-04 11:30 p.m.
Sorry
isaac 2025-06-05 03:35 p.m.DEFENSE MOTION TO PARTIALLY VACATE JUDGMENT
CC:@Kezzera @ian
CC:
ian 2025-06-05 03:36 p.m.
isaac 2025-06-05 03:47 p.m.RESPONSE TO INTERROGATORIES
CC:@ian @Kezzera
Defendant Combatrole
1. 270k~
2. N/A
3. N/A
4. N/A
5. N/A
6. N/A
7. N/A
8. N/A
9. N/A
Defendant UltraInstinctShxggy
1. ~25k
2. none
3. N/A
4. no
5. N/A
6. N/A
7. no
8. N/A
9. N/A
I hereby certify, under penalty of perjury, that the foregoing answers were provided by the Defendants and are true and correct to the best of their knowledge, information, and belief.
/s/ Filturaes
CC:
1. 270k~
2. N/A
3. N/A
4. N/A
5. N/A
6. N/A
7. N/A
8. N/A
9. N/A
1. ~25k
2. none
3. N/A
4. no
5. N/A
6. N/A
7. no
8. N/A
9. N/A
I hereby certify, under penalty of perjury, that the foregoing answers were provided by the Defendants and are true and correct to the best of their knowledge, information, and belief.
/s/ Filturaes
isaacian 2025-06-05 03:57 p.m.
Why are you signing an affidavit based on someone else's belief
ian 2025-06-05 03:57 p.m.
in that case they should be signing
ian 2025-06-05 03:57 p.m.
or that's just hearsay
ian 2025-06-05 04:16 p.m.PLAINTIFF RESPONSE TO DEFENSE'S MOTION TO PARTIALLY VACATE DEFAULT JUDGMENT
Cc@Kezzera @isaac
Kezzera 2025-06-05 04:17 p.m.
we would need the affidavit signed by the affiants themselves in this case @isaac
isaac 2025-06-05 04:17 p.m.
Ok
isaac 2025-06-05 04:17 p.m.
I will have them reply to the message
Kezzera 2025-06-05 04:17 p.m.
unless the client has gone insane or cannot make their own statement for reasons of incapacity, etc. and they have a representative
isaacI will have them reply to the message
Kezzera 2025-06-05 04:18 p.m.
insufficient, a written response on the record will be sufficient
Kezzera 2025-06-05 04:18 p.m.
I plan on entering the questions and responding affidavits together
isaac 2025-06-05 04:19 p.m.
?
isaac 2025-06-05 04:19 p.m.
Ok
Kezzera 2025-06-05 04:19 p.m.
if you want a simple template I can make one
Kezzera 2025-06-05 04:19 p.m.
do you want one
Kezzera 2025-06-05 04:19 p.m.@isaac
isaac 2025-06-05 04:19 p.m.
Nope
Kezzera 2025-06-05 04:19 p.m.
ok
ian 2025-06-05 04:19 p.m.
judge can you please enter default for foxfragment
ian 2025-06-05 04:19 p.m.
like set a date for him to pay
Kezzera 2025-06-05 04:20 p.m.
received both vacate motion and response to it
ianjudge can you please enter default for foxfragment
Kezzera 2025-06-05 04:20 p.m.
I said June 6
KezzeraI said June 6
ian 2025-06-05 04:20 p.m.
right but
ian 2025-06-05 04:20 p.m.
that's for interrogatories
ian 2025-06-05 04:20 p.m.
why is he getting interrogatories
ian 2025-06-05 04:20 p.m.
if he never expressed he would have difficulty paying
ian 2025-06-05 04:20 p.m.
order would be appropriate now
Kezzera 2025-06-05 04:22 p.m.
I said I was going to enter that order along with everything else on June 6
ian 2025-06-05 04:22 p.m.
Ok, we will wait
Kezzera 2025-06-05 04:22 p.m.
Okay thank you
ianisaac 2025-06-05 04:39 p.m.@Kezzera Will you allow us to reply
isaacian 2025-06-05 04:43 p.m.
we object
ian 2025-06-05 04:43 p.m.
this is already a motion filed out of the allowed time and only overturned by leave of court
ian 2025-06-05 04:44 p.m.
there is no need for another pleading
ian 2025-06-05 04:44 p.m.
they've stated their case, and so have we—now the court decides, as with any motion
ian 2025-06-05 04:44 p.m.
If he gets another response we assert we should as well and then we'll never end submitting pleadings
ian 2025-06-05 04:44 p.m.
It's why each party submits one
ian 2025-06-05 04:45 p.m.
If he has something else to say unless the circumstances have somehow changed between now and the 15 minutes ago that he filed his motion then he should've said it in his original motion
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:00 p.m.
i'm weary of this becoming a ping-pong situation
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:00 p.m.
which is not desirable
isaacKezzera 2025-06-05 09:00 p.m.
why?
ian 2025-06-05 09:00 p.m.
Yes that's what I fear too
ian 2025-06-05 09:00 p.m.
He should've exhausted his arguments in one motion
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:00 p.m.
well i haven't read them yet
ian 2025-06-05 09:00 p.m.
Otherwise it's also just wasting my time for no reason
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:00 p.m.
so i need to consider like
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:01 p.m.
what the arguments are and whether any new things were raised
ian 2025-06-05 09:01 p.m.
Not rlly
isaac 2025-06-05 09:02 p.m.
you raised the argument that the damages are stacked and therefore is multipled by the amount of times you re-allege that tort
isaac 2025-06-05 09:03 p.m.
that is simply incorrect, i wish to reply to prove why that is incorrect
ian 2025-06-05 09:03 p.m.
If it is incorrect the court will deem it so
ian 2025-06-05 09:03 p.m.
ian 2025-06-05 09:03 p.m.
Thats how it works
isaac 2025-06-05 09:03 p.m.
and in support of it being incorrect, i wish to file a reply
ian 2025-06-05 09:03 p.m.
For motions you dont go ping pong pong ping
isaac 2025-06-05 09:03 p.m.
to support the argument
isaac 2025-06-05 09:03 p.m.
that it is incorrect
isaacand in support of it being incorrect, i wish to file a reply
ian 2025-06-05 09:03 p.m.
Not how it is done for motions
ian 2025-06-05 09:03 p.m.
It's a simple motion not trial
isaac 2025-06-05 09:03 p.m.
??
ian 2025-06-05 09:04 p.m.
If it's so important that this specific fact is gotten right you should've foreseen that we would make that argument and include it in your original motion
isaac 2025-06-05 09:04 p.m.
that's reasonable but it doesnt bar me from replying
ian 2025-06-05 09:07 p.m.
You need a reason for the court to grant you leave
isaac 2025-06-05 09:08 p.m.
you raised an argument that i need to address
ian 2025-06-05 09:09 p.m.
Actually you raised an argument and I attacked it so now the court will decide
ian 2025-06-05 09:09 p.m.
Movants don't have the right to rebut an allegation
ian 2025-06-05 09:10 p.m.
Respondents to a motion do, though
ian 2025-06-05 09:10 p.m.
It's 1. movant: give me this 2. Respondent: dont give him that
isaac 2025-06-05 09:10 p.m.
movants do?
isaac 2025-06-05 09:10 p.m.
what do you mean
isaac 2025-06-05 09:10 p.m.
movant is the party who initally brought the motion
ian 2025-06-05 09:10 p.m.
Yes
isaac 2025-06-05 09:10 p.m.
yes
isaac 2025-06-05 09:10 p.m.
the respondents opposition
ian 2025-06-05 09:11 p.m.
Uh huh
isaac 2025-06-05 09:11 p.m.
may raise new facts ora rguments that werent in the original motion
isaac 2025-06-05 09:11 p.m.
therefore to ensure fairness the movant is allowed to file a reply
ian 2025-06-05 09:11 p.m.
Under what
ian 2025-06-05 09:11 p.m.
To my knowledge movants aren't entitled to rebut in any case
ian 2025-06-05 09:12 p.m.
I've certainly never seen it done
ian 2025-06-05 09:12 p.m.
Defendants' Response to Plaintiff's Response to Defendants' Motion to Partially Vacate Default Judgment?
ian 2025-06-05 09:12 p.m.
Like come on
ian 2025-06-05 09:13 p.m.
Ordinarily too we'd be allowed a response to that as well
ian 2025-06-05 09:13 p.m.
Plaintiff's Response to Defendants' Response to Plaintiff's Response to Defendants' Motion to Partially Vacate Default Judgment?
ian 2025-06-05 09:15 p.m.
Just seems completely fabricated, the idea of having a right to respond to a response
ian 2025-06-05 09:15 p.m.@Kezzera also this is literally just a motion with two single points (two sentences) of actual arguments
isaac 2025-06-05 09:16 p.m.
ian 2025-06-05 09:16 p.m.
Clearly they did not put in effort and should not be entitled to file a response now
isaac 2025-06-05 09:16 p.m.
? Much effort was put in
isaac 2025-06-05 09:16 p.m.
Who are you to judge MY effort
ian 2025-06-05 09:17 p.m.
Next time I move the court to do something, I'll only explain my reasoning with two words of argumentative content—after all, I can always just submit a response to the opposing party's response where I actually detail my arguments!
ian 2025-06-05 09:17 p.m.
Just no
ian 2025-06-05 09:17 p.m.
That's not how it's done
isaac 2025-06-05 09:17 p.m.
Ok Please stop with the disrespect
isaac 2025-06-05 09:18 p.m.
We are considering moving for civil contempt
isaac 2025-06-05 09:18 p.m.
Pls stop being rude sir
isaacWho are you to judge MY effort
ian 2025-06-05 09:18 p.m.
I am trying to illustrate that you failed to exhaust your arguments, not that you didn't put effort in making them.
isaacWe are considering moving for civil contempt
ian 2025-06-05 09:18 p.m.
You mean criminal contempt ?
isaac 2025-06-05 09:19 p.m.
? I'm sorry no it would be civil contempt
isaac 2025-06-05 09:19 p.m.
This is a civil case after all
ian 2025-06-05 09:19 p.m.
ian 2025-06-05 09:19 p.m.
Are u sure abt that
isaac 2025-06-05 09:19 p.m.
Course
isaac 2025-06-05 09:22 p.m.@Kezzera Your honor when can we expect on the motion to partially vacate judgement
isaac 2025-06-05 09:22 p.m.
Sorry
isaac 2025-06-05 09:22 p.m.
EXpect a ruling
isaacian 2025-06-05 09:22 p.m.
So you dont want to submit a response then?
isaac 2025-06-05 09:23 p.m.
If the court allows it I Will
ian 2025-06-05 09:23 p.m.
Ok
ian 2025-06-05 09:23 p.m.
I still object
ian 2025-06-05 09:23 p.m.
But I think he said he'd rule by tomorrow on everything
ian 2025-06-05 09:23 p.m.
If I'm not disbarred by then
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:23 p.m.
not to your motions..? everything else yes
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:24 p.m.
fym disbarred??
ian 2025-06-05 09:24 p.m.
Aw man
Kezzerafym disbarred??
ian 2025-06-05 09:24 p.m.
Yeah big bad thing happened
ian 2025-06-05 09:24 p.m.
Uh
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:24 p.m.
dont even talk about it
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:24 p.m.
in open court
ian 2025-06-05 09:24 p.m.
I don't agree with it and I will fight it but I'm pretty sure I will be suspended soon
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:24 p.m.
it's not my business
Kezzeradont even talk about it
ian 2025-06-05 09:24 p.m.
I'm not going to justify it, just letting you know
ian 2025-06-05 09:24 p.m.
Just in case
isaac 2025-06-05 09:24 p.m.
Your Honor is he not required to disclose this
ian 2025-06-05 09:24 p.m.
Yea Im disclosing it
ian 2025-06-05 09:25 p.m.
I was made aware like an hour ago
isaac 2025-06-05 09:25 p.m.
Ok great
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:25 p.m.
is he required to?
isaacYour Honor is he not required to disclose this
ian 2025-06-05 09:25 p.m.
No Im not actualy
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:25 p.m.
if it's related to the case yes
ian 2025-06-05 09:25 p.m.
Actually*
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:25 p.m.
if not, no
ian 2025-06-05 09:25 p.m.
But im still disclosing it
isaac 2025-06-05 09:25 p.m.
Ok i was under the asumption it was
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:25 p.m.
well thanks for the heads up - best of luck in fighting it or what you will do in it
ian 2025-06-05 09:25 p.m.
Lowk it's crazy tho
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:25 p.m.
i'll just remind counsel of whats up:
Kezzerawell thanks for the heads up - best of luck in fighting it or what you will do in it
ian 2025-06-05 09:25 p.m.
Yeah I'll fight it I'm pretty sure
ian 2025-06-05 09:26 p.m.
Haven't even seen anything I was just told by one of the justices
ian 2025-06-05 09:26 p.m.
That I should expect that
isaac 2025-06-05 09:26 p.m.@Kezzera Will the court allow a verbal reply to the response Plaintiff submitted
ian 2025-06-05 09:26 p.m.
But Im pretty sure Ill fight it
isaacian 2025-06-05 09:26 p.m.
Same objection as before here
ian 2025-06-05 09:26 p.m.
And if he's allowed another response we'll expect reciprocation
ian 2025-06-05 09:26 p.m.
Ping, pong
isaac 2025-06-05 09:27 p.m.
And if that happens we will be rpelying
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:27 p.m.
- June 6, 2025 11:59pm ET is the deadline for the motions that defense counsel wanted to submit, and plaintiff counsel filed; it was not the deadline for the ruling but i intend to resolve this soon
- same date, for foxfragment pay/confinement order; interrogatories order (defense counsel should adhere to the written statement direction i gave earlier)
- same date, for foxfragment pay/confinement order; interrogatories order (defense counsel should adhere to the written statement direction i gave earlier)
isaacAnd if that happens we will be rpelying
ian 2025-06-05 09:27 p.m.
Pong, ping
Kezzera- June 6, 2025 11:59pm ET is the deadline for the motions that defense counsel wanted to submit, and plaintiff counsel filed; it was not the deadline for the ruling but i intend to...
ian 2025-06-05 09:27 p.m.
Thumbs up emoji reaction
isaacKezzera 2025-06-05 09:27 p.m.
ill think about it
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:27 p.m.
when i get to reading it, ill just respond directly
isaac 2025-06-05 09:27 p.m.
Your Honor I am waiting on one of the Defendants to come online
isaac 2025-06-05 09:27 p.m.
to sign the affidavit
isaac 2025-06-05 09:27 p.m.
Please forgive the disruption
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:27 p.m.
note:
- Defense Request Verbal Response to Plaintiff's Response to MTV
- Plaintiff objection, Reciprocate Dmnd if DR granted(edited)
- Defense Request Verbal Response to Plaintiff's Response to MTV
- Plaintiff objection, Reciprocate Dmnd if DR granted(edited)
isaacto sign the affidavit
Kezzera 2025-06-05 09:28 p.m.
take your time you still have a day
Kezzeranote: - Defense Request Verbal Response to Plaintiff's Response to MTV - Plaintiff objection, Reciprocate Dmnd if DR granted(edited)
ian 2025-06-05 09:28 p.m.
and Plaintiff objects and demands reciprocation if granted
isaac 2025-06-05 10:03 p.m.DEFENSE RESPONSE TO INTERROGATORIES W/ AFFIDAVIT
CC:@ian @Kezzera
CC:
ian 2025-06-05 10:04 p.m.
W
ian 2025-06-05 10:04 p.m.
So let's do this
ian 2025-06-05 10:04 p.m.
Combatrole gets 4 weeks, ultra gets 6
ian 2025-06-05 10:04 p.m.
Yes?
ian 2025-06-05 10:05 p.m.
Actually
isaacian 2025-06-05 10:05 p.m.
Do they not own any property at all
ian 2025-06-05 10:05 p.m.
Not a car
ianDo they not own any property at all
isaac 2025-06-05 10:07 p.m.
According to the Interr order. my clients were asked to disclose "real assets"
isaac 2025-06-05 10:07 p.m.
cars are not considered real assets
ian1. How much money are you personally in possession of? 2. What property are you in possession of? 3. What is the gross value of that combined property? 4. Have you entered into an ...
ian 2025-06-05 10:07 p.m.
See this
ian 2025-06-05 10:08 p.m.
"What property are you in possession of"
isaac 2025-06-05 10:08 p.m.
yes
ian 2025-06-05 10:08 p.m.@isaac
isaac 2025-06-05 10:08 p.m.
yes
isaac 2025-06-05 10:08 p.m.
that is out of the scope of the order
isaac 2025-06-05 10:08 p.m.
the order says we are required to disclose
ian 2025-06-05 10:08 p.m.
No its not ..
isaac 2025-06-05 10:08 p.m.
REAL assets
isaac 2025-06-05 10:08 p.m.
property, land, structures, etc
ian 2025-06-05 10:08 p.m.
1 second
isaacproperty, land, structures, etc
ian 2025-06-05 10:08 p.m.
Yes I know what real property is thanks
isaac 2025-06-05 10:09 p.m.
We wouldnt be having this conversation
ian 2025-06-05 10:09 p.m.
(Fake property 
isaacthe order says we are required to disclose
ian 2025-06-05 10:10 p.m.
are chattels not financial property
ian 2025-06-05 10:10 p.m.
I'd argue they are
ian 2025-06-05 10:10 p.m.@Kezzera can you weigh in with your intent
ian 2025-06-05 10:10 p.m.
Also I think this is pointless
ian 2025-06-05 10:10 p.m.
The order gave us the right to ask questions that the court would approve
ian 2025-06-05 10:11 p.m.
Then those questions are directed to you
ian 2025-06-05 10:11 p.m.
You dont get to only partially answer, you have to answer fully because the court cleared the questions
isaac 2025-06-05 10:11 p.m.
Where did the court clear the questions
ian 2025-06-05 10:11 p.m.
Guy's fr gonna have me searching the channel
ian 2025-06-05 10:11 p.m.
Sheesh
ian 2025-06-05 10:11 p.m.
1s
isaac 2025-06-05 10:12 p.m.
Also cars are literally unable to be sold
isaac 2025-06-05 10:12 p.m.
So i don't know why you want to know what vehicles my clients possess
ian 2025-06-05 10:12 p.m. 
isaacSo i don't know why you want to know what vehicles my clients possess
ian 2025-06-05 10:12 p.m.
You have to disclose it regardless
ian 2025-06-05 10:12 p.m.
And any other chattels
ian 2025-06-05 10:12 p.m.
Any property of any kind
isaac 2025-06-05 10:13 p.m.
why would we have to disclose chattels
ian 2025-06-05 10:13 p.m.
It's a type of property
isaac 2025-06-05 10:13 p.m.
its not financial property
isaac 2025-06-05 10:13 p.m.
ok
isaac 2025-06-05 10:13 p.m.
great
isaacits not financial property
ian 2025-06-05 10:13 p.m.
It was cleared by the court and accepted
isaac 2025-06-05 10:13 p.m.@Kezzera Could the Court weigh in on this
ian 2025-06-05 10:13 p.m.
Unless you disagree with their ruling and want to move you need to answer the questions
isaacian 2025-06-05 10:13 p.m.
Please
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:01 p.m.
...
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:02 p.m.
cars are considered real assets
isaac 2025-06-05 11:03 p.m.
Your Honor I don't believe that is trust
isaac 2025-06-05 11:03 p.m.
true
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:04 p.m.
you can't sell a car, and it doesn't have any intrinsic value?
isaac 2025-06-05 11:04 p.m.
what?
isaac 2025-06-05 11:05 p.m.
cars have intrinsic value
isaac 2025-06-05 11:05 p.m.
it's a tangible asset
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:05 p.m.
then what are you talking about?
isaac 2025-06-05 11:06 p.m.
i'm saying cars are not real property
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:06 p.m.
are you confusing it with real estate
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:07 p.m.
because that's not what i meant
isaac 2025-06-05 11:07 p.m.
Real estate is a real asset
isaac 2025-06-05 11:07 p.m.
Which is what you ordered us to provide in the interr order
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:08 p.m.
yes, real assets such as real estate
isaac 2025-06-05 11:08 p.m.
yes.
isaac 2025-06-05 11:08 p.m.
not vehicles though
isaac 2025-06-05 11:08 p.m.
as vehicle are tangible assets not real assets
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:08 p.m.
i'm gonna need to get my liver damaged because of you
isaac 2025-06-05 11:08 p.m.
??
isaac 2025-06-05 11:08 p.m.
your honor i don't see the confusion here
isaac 2025-06-05 11:08 p.m.
you asked us to provide real assets, we did
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:10 p.m.
are you reading that as me saying "tell me what real assets you own, just the houses" or "tell me what real assets you own, like a house for example"?
isaac 2025-06-05 11:10 p.m.
you ordered us to provide real assets we own
isaac 2025-06-05 11:10 p.m.
real assets can be many things
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:11 p.m.
okay, so is it the case then that they don't own a car which is a real asset??
isaac 2025-06-05 11:11 p.m.
well a car isnt a real asset
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:11 p.m.
excluding leo cars, those cannot be sold
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:11 p.m.
how is it not?
isaac 2025-06-05 11:11 p.m.
their tangible personal proprty
isaac 2025-06-05 11:11 p.m.
"Any movable thing or intangible item of value that is capable of being owned by a person and not recognized as real property ." See Legal Information Institute, Personal Property, Cornell Law School,.
isaac 2025-06-05 11:12 p.m.
it's tangible as you can touch it.
isaac 2025-06-05 11:12 p.m.
personal because it isnt attached to land
isaac 2025-06-05 11:12 p.m.
and its an asset because it can be sold and has market value
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:20 p.m.
yeah, you're right
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:20 p.m.
embarrassing on my part
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:20 p.m.
i got it confused in a different context
isaac 2025-06-05 11:21 p.m.
Its ok
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:21 p.m.
in that case, it won't be in the scope of the order
isaac 2025-06-05 11:21 p.m.
Great thank you
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:21 p.m.
it can change later but this will be sufficient for now
Kezzera 2025-06-05 11:22 p.m.
(if anything listed cannot be used in enforcement then itwill be excluded)
ian 2025-06-06 06:06 a.m.@Kezzera your honor
ian 2025-06-06 06:06 a.m.
The order clearly intends for all assets to be named
ian 2025-06-06 06:06 a.m.
Real or not
ian 2025-06-06 06:06 a.m.
Also
ian 2025-06-06 06:07 a.m.
The order provides we give interrogatories, you approve, they answer
ian 2025-06-06 06:08 a.m.
It doesn't say we give interrogatories, you approve, and they choose what to answer based on their interpretation of it
ian 2025-06-06 06:08 a.m.
They should answer the questions or how they interpret the questions that's it
ian 2025-06-06 06:08 a.m.
You already approved them
isaac 2025-06-06 06:21 a.m.
We answered the questions how we were directed to pursuant to the order
isaacWe answered the questions how we were directed to pursuant to the order
ian 2025-06-06 06:32 a.m.
"ORDERED that Plaintiff's counsel ... be authorized to direct questions to Defendants and/or Defense counsel, which must be answered under oath, for the purpose of locating all assets owned by each Defendant ..."
ian 2025-06-06 06:32 a.m.
You were directed to answer what we ask
ian 2025-06-06 06:32 a.m.
Don't make stuff up
ian 2025-06-06 06:33 a.m.@Kezzera also important to note the order says "including but not limited to: real assets such as real estate, [...]" (emphasis)
ian 2025-06-06 06:34 a.m.
The defense virtually did whatever he wanted in answering the interrogatories and disregarded the order and the questions
polyrabies 2025-06-06 06:36 a.m.
hEY
polyrabies 2025-06-06 06:37 a.m.
can my access here be removed?
ian 2025-06-06 06:37 a.m.
Wtf
ian 2025-06-06 06:37 a.m.
Yes please
polyrabies 2025-06-06 06:37 a.m.
incase i accidently send something
Kezzera 2025-06-06 09:44 a.m.
It should've been removed
Kezzera 2025-06-06 09:50 a.m.@ian I felt fishy about my earlier response
Kezzera 2025-06-06 09:51 a.m.
I thought I wrote to include pretty much everything
Kezzera 2025-06-06 09:51 a.m.
"including but not limited to" "all assets"(edited)
Kezzera 2025-06-06 09:52 a.m.
Cars would still fall under the scope of the order
Kezzera 2025-06-06 09:52 a.m.
Remind me to never respond past 11pm bst
Kezzera 2025-06-06 09:53 a.m.@ian @isaac
Kezzerain that case, it won't be in the scope of the order
Kezzera 2025-06-06 09:53 a.m.
Therefore this should be taken back
isaac 2025-06-06 12:08 p.m.
Ok will the Court like an amended written response to the interrogatories @Kezzera
isaac 2025-06-06 12:09 p.m.
Even though in-game cars cannot be sold
ian 2025-06-06 03:18 p.m.@Kezzera please direct filturaes to answer the questions as they were presented
ian 2025-06-06 03:18 p.m.
Not how he wants to
ian 2025-06-06 03:18 p.m.
This time
isaacEven though in-game cars cannot be sold
Kezzera 2025-06-06 04:37 p.m.
It can
isaacOk will the Court like an amended written response to the interrogatories @Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-06 04:39 p.m.@ian cc
Answer the questions completely, give regard to the Order as written. Note thr following:
- "all assets" ; "including but not limited to"
Amended response please(edited)
Answer the questions completely, give regard to the Order as written. Note thr following:
- "all assets" ; "including but not limited to"
Amended response please(edited)
KezzeraIt can
isaac 2025-06-06 04:47 p.m.
No the feature is bugged your honor
isaac 2025-06-06 04:47 p.m.
But we will comply
Kezzera 2025-06-06 04:57 p.m.
I'll check in an hour
Kezzera 2025-06-06 04:57 p.m.
It worked fine for me last time
isaac 2025-06-06 06:49 p.m.@Kezzera Can we get a 24 hr extension
isaac 2025-06-06 06:50 p.m.
My clients are offline and I am unsure whether they will be online anytime soon
Kezzera 2025-06-06 06:56 p.m.
sure
Kezzera 2025-06-06 06:56 p.m.
(I AM NOT CHANGING MY MIND ON THE EXTENSION)
isaac 2025-06-06 06:57 p.m.
Thank you
Kezzera(I AM NOT CHANGING MY MIND ON THE EXTENSION)
ian 2025-06-07 11:50 a.m.
you know me so well
isaac 2025-06-07 03:55 p.m.AMENDED RESPONSE TO INTERROGATORIES
CC:@ian @Kezzera
CC:
isaacian 2025-06-07 04:25 p.m.
Which are combat's and which are ultra's
ian 2025-06-07 04:25 p.m.
It says theyre both combat's
isaac 2025-06-07 04:26 p.m.
Oops
isaac 2025-06-07 04:26 p.m.
May the court recongize that 2 is meant for the responses of UltraInstinctShxggy
ian 2025-06-07 04:27 p.m.
For the record I am displeased at the way the document is formulated—devoid of the grammar and appropriateness such a situation requires
isaacMay the court recongize that 2 is meant for the responses of UltraInstinctShxggy
Kezzera 2025-06-07 04:41 p.m.
noted
isaac 2025-06-07 04:41 p.m.
May the court also recognize that the selling cars feature is disabled in Clark County
isaac 2025-06-07 04:42 p.m.
Just to clear it up
isaac 2025-06-07 04:47 p.m.
Also may the Court please hold off on ruling on the motion to vacate as we are in negotiation talks
cc:@Kezzera
cc:
ian 2025-06-07 04:47 p.m.
affirm
isaacAlso may the Court please hold off on ruling on the motion to vacate as we are in negotiation talks cc: @Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-07 05:30 p.m.
sure
isaacMay the court also recognize that the selling cars feature is disabled in Clark County
Kezzera 2025-06-07 05:30 p.m.
i'll check that now
Kezzera 2025-06-07 05:32 p.m.
it seems so
Kezzera 2025-06-07 05:32 p.m.@isaac @ian yeah its disabled
isaac 2025-06-07 05:35 p.m.
Yes
ian 2025-06-08 04:26 p.m.@Kezzera I've come to an agreement with the defense
ian 2025-06-08 04:26 p.m.
we will draft a consent judgment soon for you to sign regarding payment
ian 2025-06-08 04:26 p.m.
meanwhile could you please put fox in contempt if you havent already
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:26 p.m.
sure
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:26 p.m.
just for the two defendants represented then
ian 2025-06-08 04:26 p.m.
yeah fox is uh
ian 2025-06-08 04:26 p.m.
not reachable
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:27 p.m.
yea
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:27 p.m.
okay
ian 2025-06-08 04:27 p.m.
apparently he does play clark though
ian 2025-06-08 04:27 p.m.
so contempt will be good
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:27 p.m.
how can you be sure?
ian 2025-06-08 04:27 p.m.
until he chooses to participate
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:27 p.m.
is there any way to back that up?
Kezzerahow can you be sure?
ian 2025-06-08 04:27 p.m.
he told my client he does
ian 2025-06-08 04:27 p.m.
it's irrelevant though
ian 2025-06-08 04:27 p.m.
even if he didnt play he should be in civil contempt by now
ian 2025-06-08 04:27 p.m.
and if he doesn't play anymore so be it—if he ever wants to come back he'll have to pay us, rightfully
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:27 p.m.
well it would determine whether i can functionally put them in contempt
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:28 p.m.
so it's absolutely relevant
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:28 p.m.
i want something to back this up
Kezzerawell it would determine whether i can functionally put them in contempt
ian 2025-06-08 04:28 p.m.
how so
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:28 p.m.
i dont think i can give it while someone's not in-game
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:28 p.m.
or it fucks up their data
ian 2025-06-08 04:29 p.m.
no that's incorrect
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:29 p.m.
okay...?
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:30 p.m.
nothing else then?
ian 2025-06-08 04:30 p.m.
hold up
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:30 p.m.
when did fox tell your client this anyway?
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:30 p.m.
months ago?
ian 2025-06-08 04:30 p.m.
No
ian 2025-06-08 04:31 p.m.
It was today
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:31 p.m.
oh that's interesting
ian 2025-06-08 04:31 p.m.
Also, see Duncan_RBLX v. Wohoo123 , No. CV-173-25 (Mayfl. Dt. Ct. 2025) (ordering a defendant be put in indefinite civil contempt for failing to abide by a court order even when not playing the game anymore)
ian 2025-06-08 04:31 p.m.<#1364597399536009316>
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:32 p.m.
okay, good to know
Kezzera 2025-06-08 04:32 p.m.
we'll sort that then
ian 2025-06-08 09:01 p.m.
Do you approve
isaac 2025-06-08 09:06 p.m.
Hiy es
Kezzera 2025-06-09 10:59 p.m.
im just uh
Kezzera 2025-06-09 10:59 p.m.
a bit confused by the wording here
Kezzera 2025-06-09 11:00 p.m. 
Kezzera 2025-06-10 02:30 a.m.
i've made some technical amendments, look in the channel i tagged you for a copy
Kezzera 2025-06-10 02:31 a.m.
(signatures are not transferred over obviously)
Kezzerai've made some technical amendments, look in the channel i tagged you for a copy
ian 2025-06-10 06:09 a.m.
Looks good to me
Kezzera 2025-06-10 10:01 a.m.@isaac you will need to also consent to the changes
isaac 2025-06-10 12:51 p.m.
Yes
Kezzeraian 2025-06-10 05:30 p.m.
he doesn't
ian 2025-06-10 05:30 p.m.
the consent judgment he already signed says you can make changes, the court, as you want(edited)
ian 2025-06-10 05:30 p.m.
to correct typos or whatever
Kezzera 2025-06-10 07:14 p.m.
...
Kezzera 2025-06-10 07:14 p.m.
this replaces wholly what you guys wrote up
Kezzerathis replaces wholly what you guys wrote up
ian 2025-06-10 08:18 p.m.
yes
ian 2025-06-10 08:18 p.m.
typographically
ian 2025-06-10 08:18 p.m.
not in purpose though
ian 2025-06-10 08:18 p.m.
just clarifies it a little bit
ian 2025-06-10 08:18 p.m.
his consent is not needed but he gave it anyway so you can sign
Kezzera 2025-06-10 08:58 p.m.
it's not even just typos it's the logic and wording but ok
ian 2025-06-12 05:41 p.m.@Kezzera you can sign the order
ian 2025-06-12 05:41 p.m.
please
Kezzera 2025-06-14 03:38 a.m.@ian @isaac the order is signed
Kezzera 2025-06-14 03:38 a.m.
and an additional order is made addressing what must be provided to the court when payment is being sorted
Kezzera 2025-06-14 03:39 a.m.
and who can receive it from the plaintiff's side on behalf of the plaintiff if needed
Kezzera 2025-06-23 10:09 p.m.
Order entered - civil contempt foxfragment
KezzeraOrder entered - civil contempt foxfragment
ian 2025-06-23 10:25 p.m.
thank you your honor
krm 2025-07-21 11:09 a.m.@Kezzera can this be archived?
Kezzera 2025-07-21 11:37 a.m.@krm Yes
Kezzera 2025-07-21 11:37 a.m.@Underprothonotary archive
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